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G'Luck!
Let us know if you have any issues & we'll try to help...
The other thing you can do with sonar logs is create SI mosaiqs that you can view on your Helix. Your Autochart Pro software has this functionality. Solix can do this on the fly while recording. Helix, gotta use AC Pro to do it. I believe that once the SI mosaiq is made you can delete the sonar logs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod25
What do you find beneficial with the SI mosaics?
I don't do anything with that feature myself ...
I'm not sure if you can do SI mosaic with ACL files from the Helix .... maybe check that out .... or forget it if you aren't interested in mosaic's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod25
I think you can create ACL mosaic on the unit with the Solix but not with the Helix. That may be an indication that the Helix doesn't record the data necessary to do that with ACL .... I don't know for sure. I do know that you can create a mosaic map for viewing with data from a sonar log with AC Pro.
One of the reasons I would consider the Solix instead of the Helix is the ability to do SI mosaic charts on the unit ... I think that would be pretty neat.
@Robert
SI mosaiq uses? Picture of a boulder field for smallies, picture of a weedline. Maybe a mosaiq is better than waypoints in some cases.
@Bob B
You were correct when you said "I do know that you can create a mosaic map for viewing with data from a sonar log with AC Pro." The post I was responding to was talking about reasons to make sonar recording files. SI mosaiq is one reason to make them. ACL data doesn't come into play for this functionality.
For some reason didn't see your post before making mine ... If I had I would have probably skipped it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fins
Appreciate all the responses and answers to questions.
I have my Helix 12 set up on my workbench, no transducer attached. Started it in Normal mode and started a recording. The unit created a file and did start a recording. Upon stopping the recording after about 20 seconds, the unit appears to have stored a .dat file to the zeroline card. I have not found any menu option which would allow the file to be stored to an SD card. Also did not see a .son file.
This may be because I don't have any actual data from a transducer being stored, but for those of you that have recorded data on a Helix unit, were you given any options to store the data on the SD card before turning the machine off, or does it automatically go the the zeroline card?
I need to get out on the water and do some actual testing. I was hoping the unit would store the ACL data to the zeroline card (which it does) but would give me the option to store the recording files to the SD card. Is there a procedure that I am missing?
Any thoughts from you guys that have actually done this would be appreciated.
Regards
Rodney
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod25
A RECORDING done via the Recording and Snapshot menu is different than starting and stopping Auto Chart Live.
You get .dat and .son file with Recordings, not Auto Chart Live.
In both cases you need sonar data and GPS data to have anything to view.
When you have a Zero Line Card in the unit, it will do Auto Chart Live directly to the card, you have to use Auto Chart menu for that.
The ZLC was not made for storing sonar log recordings, and you should use a blank card for that - rather than waste valuable space on the ZLC...
Unless you are using simulator more DO NOT run the unit W/O XDCR attached - you can damage the unit transmitter.
This in not covered by any warranty.
The ZLC was nat made for storing sonar log recordings, and you should use a blank card for that - rather than waste valuable space on the ZLC...
Again, thanks for the quick replies.
I understand that ACL and Sonar are two completely separate functions.
And I understand that I don't want to store Sonar data on the Zeroline card.
What I'm trying to figure out is how to tell the unit to store the Sonar data on the SD card.
My ACL data is automatically stored on the Zeroline Card. Got that. The Zeroline card is in the left card slot.
My SD card is in the right card slot.
At the end of a mapping session I will:
1. Stop ACL.
I know the data has been stored on the Zeroline Card.
2. Stop the Recording.
This is where I'm getting lost.
I see no menu option to tell the unit to save the .Son file to the SD card in the
right slot.
I guess I'm assuming that as the unit creates the .Son file, it is storing it internally.
That may not be a good assumption.
With an SD card in the right card slot; does the unit automatically store the .Son file
to the SD card as I am mapping?
If the unit DOES NOT store the data to the right card (SD card) automatically, HOW do
I make the data go to the SD card.
On another subject: I do like to save snapshots. With a Zeroline card in the #1 (left) slot and the SD card
in the right slot, do we know if the snapshot will be saved to the SD card? Is there some procedure, like removing the Zeroline card before saving the snapshot. If one saved 10-15 snapshots per mapping session that would mean removing the Zeroline card a lot. Probably not a good idea.
Thanks for the warning on not running the unit without the transducer attached. From now on, I'll only use Simulator mode while on the workbench.
Well, off to fix the lawnmower, then I get to take my 92 year old mother out for lunch today. Hope I get around as well as she does at her age - heck - not even sure I'll make it to 92 :laugh:
If I get my chores done today, I hope to get on the lake this afternoon and actually make some ACL data and also sonar recordings to bring back to the computer. There is one really good bluff where I know there are lots of good brush piles in 15-18 feet of water. It's about 3/4 of a mile long, so it would be fantastic to get a really good map of that section of the lake. This technology is awesome and exciting; but as many have noted, the learning curve is pretty steep. Thanks to the experts here that making climbing the hill so much more easy. :nanner:
I also bought one of the Kevin Rogers light jigging rods (10 feet) and I need to try that out too.
To heck with the chores: I'm going to the lake this afternoon anyway:cool:
Regards
Rodney
Lock the ZLC card when not doing Auto Chart Live.
There is none.
Even if you have a "blank" card the unit will default recording sonar logs to the ZLC - I swapped cards slots and verified that (H10 MDI).
You will need to regularly need to lock the ZLC ( and only 8 hours of data is kept internally) or remove it so the regular SDC gets the sonar logs ~ OR cut & paste the "RECORD" folder to the computer for processing.
Thanks for the quick answers.
OK - so, it appears that to use both ACL and record Sonar functions at the same time, just let the data go to the Zeroline card, and then remove the .Son files after each session on the water. That's no problem.
Any thoughts on storing the snapshot pictures??? If they don't go to the SD card, then I can also remove them from
the Zeroline card too.
Regards
Rodney
Yep.
and
Yep.
Just be careful you don't fill the card up.
Just be careful you don't fill the card up.
AH - always the caveat!
Tower: Your cleared for landing on runway 24 Right. Surly you can make it. Don't crash and burn.
Pilot: Don't call me Shirley. HUH???????????????
Anyway - Didn't get to go this afternoon - weather look really bad, and then wouldn't you know it, it cleared off.
Think that when I get to the area I want to map, I will just put the SD card in the #1 slot and record all the data.
Then, when I'm finished and want to go fishing, I'll put the zeroline card back in to have my map. Course, I'll be running
ACL when not recording sonar logs, and save the odd snapshot to the Zeroline Card as needed. Then download it to the computer and
remove it from the zeroline card when I get home.
Bring the SD card home, upload the files and snapshots to the computer and have a blast analyzing
the data. This should be fun.
Thanks for all the help
Regards
Rodney
The sonar log data is a lot more than ACL for the same amount of mapping time. Not likely you will fill up a ZLC when using ACL, but sonar logs could.
You will have to experiment to see if it is possible to do both at the same time with ACL going to a ZLC and sonar logs going to a regular SD card...... Maybe if you start the sonar logs first and get them going to the SD card and then insert the ZLC and start ACL .... worth a shot if you want to give it a try.
In any case, I would think if you write protect the ZLC you should be able to view the previous mapping while recording sonar logs.
Why wouldn't this work? Put in the blank SD and record sonar logs to it. Leave the ZLC out and let ACLive record to the head. At some point before 8 hours of data is recorded, turn off the sonar recording, put the ZLC in and the ACL data will automatically transfer. You will eventually have an issue if you want to record data, look at a vendors map chip and overlay your own maps. Int future these units are going to need three or four card slots.
My Helix9G1 would not record snapshots to the ZLC or my LM map chip. I had to put in an SD card and the unit recognized that. No problems with snapshots going to the wrong place. I hope that has not changed with the latest update.
Bob. You’re right. We are just going to have to get on the water to try this. I like your idea of starting to record the sonar logs on the SD card then insert the Zeroline card into slot 2 and start ACL. Then see what happens
I have a question about the 8 hours of internal storage. At the end of
the 8 hours what happens? Does the unit then automatically start to
write over previous data? Also is there any way to clear the internal storage
so you know you have 8 hours of storage capacity before you go to the
lake??
Regards
Rodney
You can do that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by kzoofisher
IDK what S/W version you're running, but I was able to write snapshots, sonar logs and NAV data to my ZLC, but I make sure I clean it up and back up stuff regularly - this was on a G1 H12DI and it works on the others.
Yes, the ACL data will start to overwrite the oldest data after 8 Hrs. To clear the internal data, simply power up the unit and insert the ACL card....you could do this before you get off the water if recording to internal memory.... make sure you always stop the recording whether doing sonar logs or ACL since data can be lost if not shut down clean.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod25
There's almost always more than 1 way to get something done.
I think I’m on 1.61 now and this wa last year on 1.4(?), haven’t done the very latest. The unit would only do a screen snapshot or waypoint snapshot with a blank card in but it would record sonar like a video without one. I liked that feature because it kept me from accidentally putting incompatible data on cards. Never had any problems with the snapshot going to the wrong card, the unit always selected for the correct card.Quote:
Originally Posted by sfw1960
Bob, Thanks. That solves the problem. For a mapping session, I'll put the SD card in the #1 slot and start Record and put the Zeroline Card in the #2 slot and start ACL.
When I'm finished mapping, I'll stop the recording and stop ACL. Remove the SD card from the #1 slot and put the Zeroline card in the #1 slot.
IF, the unit did not write the ACL data to the Zeroline card while I was recording on the SD card (I'll check and find out) - but if it did not write the data, then when I put the Zeroline card back in the #1 slot, it will write the ACL data from internal memory.
Thanks for working thru this problem and developing a procedure that gets both Record and ACL data in one shot.
Regards
Rodney
AutoChart LiveShare:
https://www.humminbird.com/news/arti...p-intelligence
Very cool. I’m in the process of mapping and sharing a 12,000 acre unmapped lake, this will make it much easier. And probably a little quicker, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne P.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne P.
Just quickly checking it out.
Don't see a quick way to find out which lakes actually have data yet. Have to manually zoom in to everything to see if something shows up.
Yep, have to look at the hot spots and then zoom in for detail.Quote:
Originally Posted by EzyEric
This should work out in everyone's best interest...
I'm glad this happened so we all can have better mapping! :thumb up2:
I downloaded the latest version (2.300) of Autochart Pro but I cannot import or open the new liveshare maps. Anyone know how?
The instructions page and the manual doesn't mention how to do this.
Also the instructions say you can put the liveshare maps directly (as a .zip-file) on your ZLC. It doesn't mention where but i'm assuming in the ACDATA folder.
No, just put the zip folder on the card. You do not file it anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by daiwshi
Anyone here doing the custom back ground map on autochart and zerolines card. That 7000x7000 meter max map size should allow a map aproximatly 4 miles square. But if I make my KML that size Autochart crops it to aproximatly one mile square. Either Im doing something wrong or the program has an error. Has anyone made a larger map. I am running the latest version 2.30
Question about the area of coverage when recording sonar files.
I think I read somewhere that when recording .son files, that the system is using the 20 degree cone at 200khrz.
Is this correct??? I'm trying to figure out how many passes and how far apart each pass should be to get reasonable complete coverage. I know that the width covered varies with the depth of the water and the ratio is roughly 1/3 of the depth of the water.
So, at 10 feet, IF it just uses the 20 degree cone, each pass should be roughly 4 1/2 feet apart. (D + 1/2D) At twenty feet, approximately 11 feet apart. I plan on importing the data into ACP.
Thanks
Rodney
Two things are used to create contour lines for mapping--Depth and Location.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod25
The Depth comes from the center of the 200 kHz sonar pulse and Location comes from the GPS antenna.
The contour mapping software creates fake lines a long ways (sometimes 100' or more depending in the depth) from the center of the sonar pulse (interpolation). The only way to have a completely accurate map is to pass over every square foot of terrain and blend in all the fake created parts of the lines. Not only that, consider that the unit creates a track point every second (default), that track point has the depth and location that is used to create the contour lines. Your speed makes a difference in accuracy also. Just figure out how far you move per second at the speed you use to see how inaccurate your data can be especially for a fast sloping bottom.
It is up to you to determine how accurate you want your mapping.
One more thing is if your GPS antenna is not above your transducer, the position of the contour lines will have a error of that distance between the transducer and antenna.
Every single map whether it is computer created or hand drawn like USGS, uses data collected in intervals and then fills in between data points with fake lines (interpolation).
Thank you Wayne. Appreciate the quick response.
So at 3 mph and one ping/sec thats about 4.4 feet apart
If I went to two or three pps, I would assume that the only negative is eating up room onthe SD card. Correct, or are there other considerations one needs to be aware of?
Thanks
Rodney
1 per second is the fastest. You can use longer periods to create less data.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod25
Example of a what Auto Chart creates. This has two passes beside each other. If you compare their widths to the scale on the left side edge, you can get an idea of how much fake data is created not based on sonar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod25
http://www.bbcboards.net/attachment....d=333050&stc=1
Thanks Wayne - for some reason I thought one could change the ping rate.
As a general question for a Helix 12 Gen1 SI: Is there an aftermarket transducer that is better than the stock one that comes with the unit?? How do you define better?? Perhaps more detail, sharper picture on the screen - etc. Still retain 2D, DI and SI.
The reason I'm asking is that I also have a pontoon boat, and I'd like to get a second transducer to put on it, and then just move the Helix 12 between the fishing boat and the pontoon.
Thanks
Rodney
You can change the TRACK POINT INTERVAL to greater than 1 sec. A track point has the depth and location data to create and position the contour lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod25
The standard transducer for the first generation Helix 12 CHIRP SI GPS is the XHS 9 HDSI 180 T. There is no better for that unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramrod25
You can use the cheaper/smaller Compact SI transducer in its place if you want, but the image quality will be less. 2D will be the same. XNT 9 SI 180 T
The accuracy of the ACLive map improves quite a bit as you make multiple passes and criss cross your previous passes, I assume Pro is the same way. I don't do that for the whole lake, just on significant features like points, humps and creek beds. I do keep mapping on anytime I'm moving at a reasonable speed, which builds my general map and adds a lot of detail to the spots I fish a lot without any special effort. I can quickly review one pass areas and go back to get more detail on anything interesting like an unknown structure or change in bottom composition. I'll also drop a waypoint while cruising to help me remember to check out a particular spot. The spots I fish a lot get so much detail in a single season that I really don't have to add any more.