Michigan - Leading the Way

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Originally Posted by Tenn.todd

If EV's were so great then mandates and tax incentives wouldn't be needed.
I can't think of one thing that the State of Michigan has accomplished that is worth duplicating nationwide. It sure isn't quality of water, schools, or infrastructure.

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Well....decades of mismanagement by who controlled the legislature until a year or so ago won't change overnight...
Things have been going in the right direction...The retiree tax that was implemented by the last regime has been overturned and lots of road construction going on..

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Originally Posted by yatesville88fan

I understand it takes way less workers to build an EV than an ice vehicle. UAW and auto workers better be ready for some layoffs. Why not just let the free market work? Why does a government have to get involved. Sounds like communism.

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Our EV powertrain lines are still working 24/7 ...Made more money since the transition to Electric on OT than I ever have..Of course just like Ice vehicles that can change with a drop of a hat..

I thought this would be about cheating in football.

..."executive directive that set this in motion was signed by Governor Gretchen Whitmer" ...

'Nough said!

Leading the way? By forcing something. I'm not sure thats how it works.

Somebody has to buy all those ev's nobody is buying :laugh:

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Originally Posted by brnzbaklvr

Record sales last month...that doesnt fit the narrative but drive on..
https://bazaartimes.com/ford-f-150-l...g-in-november/

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https://www.theverge.com/2023/10/26/...ne-q3-earnings


https://fortune.com/2023/07/28/ford-...023-ev-losses/

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Originally Posted by brnzbaklvr

Record sales last month...that doesnt fit the narrative but drive on..
https://bazaartimes.com/ford-f-150-l...g-in-november/

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not hard to do when sales were just recently 0

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Originally Posted by TroyBoy30

good luck with that. its a step in the right direction though. all state and federal vehicles should be transitioned before they force it on us

it'll prob end up like this though

$7.5 billion to build tens of thousands of electric vehicle chargers across the country, Two years later, the program has yet to install a single charger

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I saw that. Just more government waste.

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Originally Posted by schmidte

I grew up in Michigan...Let me know how long those electric snow-plows last pushing deep wet Michigan snow...:popcorn:

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For $12/year I get access to every state park and boat launch in the state. That works for me. I'm not going to get political as to the original intent of this thread.

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Originally Posted by posmallie

For $12/year I get access to every state park and *(DNR ran) boat launches in the state. That works for me. I'm not going to get political as to the original intent of this thread.

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Fixed it for ya....

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Originally Posted by TroyBoy30

not hard to do when sales were just recently 0

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Yep. They sold something like 650,000 ICE trucks in 2022. Lightning sales have a Loooonnnggg way to go.

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Originally Posted by schmidte

I grew up in Michigan...Let me know how long those electric snow-plows last pushing deep wet Michigan snow...:popcorn:

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Not to mention the State currently produces less power than it uses and is shutting down more coal plants and replacing with solar power in one of the cloudiest states in the country. Maybe the windmills will make up the difference?

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Originally Posted by yatesville88fan

I understand it takes way less workers to build an EV than an ice vehicle. UAW and auto workers better be ready for some layoffs. Why not just let the free market work? Why does a government have to get involved. Sounds like communism.

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:thumb up2:

The people there want it. Hope they get all they want.

She so funny !:roll:

So here's the other side of this coin. They are going to need a lot more on-demand infrastructure to support the charging stations all these EV's are going to require. Real generation horsepower comes from coal and natural gas which will, by then, be restricted into extinction. That means they will need to compensate all that demand with Solar and Wind.

Solar and Wind are not peak demand generation sources (not like the Natural Gas peaking Stations we have today.. you can't "spin-up" a windmill or solar panel.) so you're going to have to either store it somehow (fuel cells perhaps..) or regulate charging consumption by mandating who is allowed to charge, and when (imagine the fights that will cause...). Everyone can't come home from work and plug in at the same time. (Especially when the sun's not shining..)

This cost will be huge, perhaps much more than the cost to manufacture the EV's and for consumers and businesses to switch over their ICE cars & trucks. So there is probably more work here(that is not discussed in their proposal) for Michigan's Utility Industry to support all this. Electric rates could skyrocket.

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Originally Posted by BackLash625

So here's the other side of this coin. They are going to need a lot more on-demand infrastructure to support the charging stations all these EV's are going to require. Real generation horsepower comes from coal and natural gas which will, by then, be restricted into extinction. That means they will need to compensate all that demand with Solar and Wind.

Solar and Wind are a not peak demand generation sources (not like the Natural Gas peaking Stations we have today.. you can't "spin-up" a windmill or solar panel.) so you're going to have to either store it somehow (fuel cells perhaps..) or regulate charging consumption by mandating who is allowed to charge, and when (imagine the fights that will cause...). Everyone can't come home from work and plug in at the same time. (Especially when the sun's not shining..)

This cost will be huge, perhaps much more than the cost to manufacture the EV's and for consumers and businesses to switch over their ICE cars & trucks. So there is probably more work here(that is not discussed in their proposal) for Michigan's Utility Industry to support all this. Electric rates could skyrocket.

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Sounds like such a great idea doesn’t it?

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Originally Posted by BassinPaPaw

The people there want it. Hope they get all they want.

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I don't want it and neither does anybody I know in my circle of friends. Some of you guys really like to pile the shit on Michigan, but you sure as hell like coming up here to fish and vacation.

How's Hydro plans going in any part of this country/ Continent? Knock em down or build more?