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I am buying a Garmin just to use for LiveScope. I have 2 Helix 10" and a 9" so have all my 2d, DI, SI, 360, plus charting petty well covered. I can't decide between a ECHOMAP Plus 92sv wo/ducer with 400x800 res or a GPSMAP 1022 wo/ducer at 1024x600 res. I believe that the higher res will show crappies better and they are my number 1 target in freshwater. Will the $250 more for the higher res be worth it. Am I over looking a model that might be better. Don
I did the same have a Onix and 898si at console went with 1242 touch and livescope BBG marine Brian will work good deal on $$. I’ll be keeping console as is for now because of ultrex and bird are linked might get rid of 898si I use for maps if I like livescope and put another Garmin at console. I would go within your budget but at least 1042 or 1242 with xsv because if you don’t like it it will be easier to sell and of course your still going to be out $$$. I would wait to you hear or see a review of someone using the Echomap Plus with livescope because of lower resolution and smaller screen size or wait till 1042 or 1242 fits your budget. I seen videos or could of been a comment of Josh Jones crappie guide and he said he perfers 1042 over his echo maps plus unit because of resolution I’ll be putting mine on my Ranger 620 tomorrow can’t decide on location might start a new thread.
I am a 71 year old video gamer and my PC screen is a 52 inch display that does 3840x2160 so I know what high res will give you. I am defiantly going to give Brian a call when I am ready. I been watching all the LiveScope video I can find but need to start noting what unit they are using or if I can't see I will ask. Thanks for your reply. Don
With Livescope you are lookin at blobs. Not sure resolution will make a difference.
That's incorrect. Practically never looking at blobs. I think you got your Panoptix versions reversed. Even schools of bait show as a group of tiny tiny dots. Detail is far superior to the PS21/22/31 for both structure and fish. The effective range for showing that detail is less for the LiveScope than the other Panoptix transducers. Just today I was in an area mixed with shad, spotted bass and walleye. The blobs were on the PS22. The detail on the LiveScope.Quote:
Originally Posted by MonteSS
I can try to compare the effects of resolution but it would be subjective and a bit haphazard. the echomap Plus doesn't network to my GPSMAP so I can't do an apples to apples comparison where both are displaying the same targets at the same time in the same place. I have used the Plus 93sv with LiveScope and I didn't notice any shortcomings, but I'll try it again. In going back though my notes I'm still comfortable recommending the echomap Plus 93sv as an excellent unit to use with LiveScope. Just as long as you know it will only network with other EM Plus units. I do not recommend using a 7 inch with the LiveScope. It can be done and be workable. In order to get the same quality view you would have to reduce the range displayed. For example, if the range on the 93sv was set to 80 ft that's 10.25 ft per horizontal inch. For it to look the same on a 73sv you would have to set the range to 61 ft. That's significant.
But wouldn’t there be a bit more detail with the 7 since it uses the same 800X480? I get the 9 would easier to see, but I wonder if you took the exact same screenshot on each unit, the 7’s might show species, perhaps, better than the 9 would. Or maybe a fish right up against structure while the 9 would just show a solid pixelQuote:
Originally Posted by LWINCHESTER2
Thanks that is the answer I was looking for. Brian sells the Plus 93sv for a very good price and I have no need to network it with anything. If a Garmin would some how network to a Helix it would be a different story. The 93 will go on the bow and I will just install it on the tall Ram Mount making it easier to see the 9" screen. I will be mounting the LiveScope ducer on a stick just like my 360 is with the ducer that comes with it on the bottom of the stick. A handle on top for pointing. DonQuote:
Originally Posted by LWINCHESTER2
I can't give a definitive answer to this. I just don't know enough about resolution, pixel size, etc to look at the specs and with certainty predict the result. I can talk about what experience I've had. For example on the Lowrance HDS G1 series. It was amazing how crisp a display the 5 inch unit had, but still the 8 inch was also crisp and the bigger screen made a big difference. But when I added a 10 inch unit the result was worse. Side imaging was better on the 8 than on the 10. I think this is the kind of thing you suggest might be at play. Not so, at least in the comparisons I have made. For example I went though some extensive comparisions of the 7610 and 1242. I networked them and displayed the same image on both units full screen and studied them. The 7610 had a pixel size of 0.0067, while the 1242 had a pixel size of 0.0080. So I anticipated that there would be an observable difference in the quality of the images with the 7610 being better. I could not see a difference. I even did screenshots and then on the computer put them on screen side by side to analyze. I was even biased and wanted the 7610 to be better. But I would have to concede that I did not find one superior to another in terms of observable detail. Maybe someone else doing this might find a difference that I didn't see, but in this case I would have to say the bigger screen of the 1242 was better. Not because it was superior in detail but it was bigger without getting blurry like you get with just enlarging images.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chief Brody
The reverse of your logic has to also be taken into consideration. If you take the image on a 10 inch screen and reduce it to a screen half that, then the amount of space between objects also gets cut in half. So what showed as 2 objects on the big screen now looks like one on the small one. I don't have all the answers on this. Maybe someone who is expert on this type of thing can give a better explanation. At the core though, is the capability of the technology. What is the target separation? How big does a target have to be in order to be detected and displayed?
Transducer dependent? Yup, I agree
When making comparisons don't just look at screen size. Read the specs of each unit. A GPSMAP 7600xsv series 10" has a res of 1280x800 but the GPSMAP 1022 10" is only 1024x600. If you don't believe high res makes a difference go into settings on your PC and turn the screen settings down. I am using a 52" display on my PC that is set at 3840x2160 and when viewing my side image recordings I see stuff that my friend and son don't see when I send the file to them. The more pixels it takes to display a fish the better that fish will look as each pixel can have a different color and intensive. You have low res and you still see the fish but it is only say 2 pixels long you get a blob. The blob might even be easier to see then the good looking high res fish that shows the fins. If you look at the units that Garmin are showing demos of fish that looking like fish they are very high res units. Plus showing tarpon size fish which are a bunch of pixels on the screen. I think it boils down to do you want to find fish or do impressive screen shots.
You are going to call Brian in a manner that shows open resistance or bold disobedience?Quote:
Originally Posted by D Johnson
:smile: Mr. Johnson did call and order but he was very nice to me on the phone. Don, thank you for your order sir !Quote:
Originally Posted by TripletsFish
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Didnt think anyone could be mean to :laugh:Brian......