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    #41
    lol yes they are. Boat sitting on the trailer. I went out to the shop and captured those just a bit ago . Storms moving through the area. No fishing today for me.

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    Hey wetaline, which 2d transducer are you running?

    Yup, it was said somewhere that the SS3D version at the top disappears if you are running a TM150. I know you are running a TM 185...so maybe it’s whether or not you have an XSonic transducer installed that modulates the SS3D version appearing or not..why is a different discussion, I have no idea.
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    #43
    I'm just running the standard hst-wsbl 83/200 lowrance tranny for 2d sonar. Its on transom about 20cm to the right of the SS3D tranny and outboard trimmed up so no interference.

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    #44
    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJ3 View Post
    Hey wetaline, which 2d transducer are you running?

    Yup, it was said somewhere that the SS3D version at the top disappears if you are running a TM150. I know you are running a TM 185...so maybe it’s whether or not you have an XSonic transducer installed that modulates the SS3D version appearing or not..why is a different discussion, I have no idea.
    Yeah... Who'tha'hell'knows???? How do you like the way we're absolutely trashin' your OP????

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    #45
    Aren’t really trashin it...adding information is always good.

    i appreciate all info sharing, that’s what these forums are for.
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    #46
    Wetaline, I feel like the views with all he latest software are the best of your bunch.

    im beginning to think this stuff is so sensitive now that it is picking up things we never saw before (list, small differences in temperature, etc...and maybe we have to live with the Fuzz or whatever it is, because the reruns from objects are going to be noticeable anyway. Not sure, I need more time on the water to sort it out.

    i did make note of my boat pitch st time I was out and am going to check the leveling a bit when I get time.
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    #47
    Thought I'd try reposting with proper images, as the last one with thumbnails is a PITA.

    I finally got around to doing a comparison. Hope this helps and pics upload ok.

    What I tested briefly (2 hrs on water) was the following:

    - Carbon 18.2-60.1.142, SS3D 18.2-60.1.142
    - Carbon 18.2-60.1.142, SS3D 18.3-61.1.123
    - Carbon 18.3-61.1.123, SS3D 18.2-30.1.142
    - Carbon 18.3-61.1.123, SS3D 18.3-61.1.123
    - Carbon 18.3-61.1.155, SS3D 18.3-61.1.123

    Apologies for stuffing up the range on a couple, otherwise all settings were the same.
    Boat at constant 4kts speed in fairly shallow water. For understanding:
    - The first image is a run past a bridge pylon on right, generally muddy bottom, then finishes over some rocks.
    - The second image is a run is over a couple of small trenches, generally muddy bottom, then finished with different bridge pylon on right.
    - The 3rd image is downscan over muddy bottom then same rocks in first run, U-turn and back the other way.

    I mainly wanted to compare 18.2-60.1.142 against the first 18.3-61.1.123 release with both versions of SS3D.
    I did also test the latest Carbon 18.3-61.1.155 with SS3D 18.3-61.1.123 as well.
    These combos and sorting out all the screenshots was more than enough to do my head in.

    Please comment. I'm not sure what combo looks like it works best.


    ** Carbon 18.2-60.1.142, SS3D 18.2-60.1.142



    ** Carbon 18.2-60.1.142, SS3D 18.3-61.1.123




    Last edited by wetaline2; 05-19-2019 at 08:27 AM.

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    #48
    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJ3 View Post
    Hey wetaline, which 2d transducer are you running?

    Yup, it was said somewhere that the SS3D version at the top disappears if you are running a TM150. I know you are running a TM 185...so maybe it’s whether or not you have an XSonic transducer installed that modulates the SS3D version appearing or not..why is a different discussion, I have no idea.
    This is interesting. Why/how does the 2d transducer have any effect on side imaging?

    yup, is it possible your TM185 is causing issues?

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    #49
    I think the Carbon_18.4-65.1.166 and the StructurScan_19.7-83.2.188 Look the absolute best...

    OH... Wait.... those haven't been released yet.

    Man... I know the effort it takes to capture-->transfer-->document-->post what you have here. It's time consuming. So you efforts are greatly appreciated but.... None of those images looks "best". The down scan looks better than the side scan but even those struggle to reach "acceptable". If the AI 2-in-1 transducer I'll be testing this week produces any images remotely resembling any you have posted here - I'll be extremely disappointed....

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    #50
    ** Carbon 18.3-61.1.123, SS3D 18.2-30.1.142



    ** Carbon 18.3-61.1.123, SS3D 18.3-61.1.123



    ** Carbon 18.3-61.1.155, SS3D 18.3-61.1.123




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    #51
    Quote Originally Posted by jagsaw View Post
    This is interesting. Why/how does the 2d transducer have any effect on side imaging?

    yup, is it possible your TM185 is causing issues?
    Didn't see this question earlier.... No, I mean I don't guess nor suspect the TM185 to be the source of my poor images. In the testing process it was removed from the configuration and a Lowrance HST-WSBL produced the same nasty results.

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    #52
    Quote Originally Posted by jagsaw View Post
    This is interesting. Why/how does the 2d transducer have any effect on side imaging?

    yup, is it possible your TM185 is causing issues?
    In my original images, you see that any time the 2d had trouble locking the bottom, the SS got more fuzzy...

    but my my point of mentioning it at all was that having an XSonic transducer connected seemed to alter whether the SS3D version number appears at the top,of the screen or not.
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    #53
    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJ3 View Post
    In my original images, you see that any time the 2d had trouble locking the bottom, the SS got more fuzzy...

    but my my point of mentioning it at all was that having an XSonic transducer connected seemed to alter whether the SS3D version number appears at the top,of the screen or not.
    What I saw.... The SS3D version at the top/center of the screen with my transducer disappeared with the loading of version ending in .155. Prior to that version I did have the SS3D version in the top/center...

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    #54
    Conclusions from my limited tests today and going over my screenshots:
    - SS3D 18.3 looks smoother/cleaner on all versions of Carbon so I'll leave my SS3D upgraded to 18.3.
    - Carbon 18.2 / SS3D 18.3 is the clearest image and detail albeit too dark. Suggest adjust contrast lighter.
    - Carbon 18.3-61.1.123 / SS3D 18.3 is possibly next best albeit to bright to tell for sure. Suggest adjust contrast darker.
    - Carbon 18.3-61.1.155 (latest) / SS3D is basically a more fuzzy and washed out version of 18.2. A lot of Carbon users have reported this behaviour to varying extremes.

    So basically it looks like I'm another person who has found that Carbon 18.2 is still better than all versions of Carbon 18.3 with no adjustments.
    Hopefully some adjustment of contrast darker on Carbon 18.3-61.1.123 will give me better images on par with 18.2. I'd like to keep my unit at 18.3 with the improved menus etc if possible.

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    #55
    I noted turning on surface clarity on 18.3=61.1.155 and adjusting contrast dials it in a little....give that a try.

    And, thanks for taking the time to share and research...it is appreciated
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    #56
    In the few SS3D 18.2 vs 18.3 comparisons I've seen, and this is just my humble opinion, at first glance the 18.2 images look crisp and clean, but then the longer I scrutinize I gravitate toward liking the 18.3 images. I seem to find 18.3 has more detail, especially further from the boat.
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    #57
    Quote Originally Posted by R2Tracker View Post
    In the few SS3D 18.2 vs 18.3 comparisons I've seen, and this is just my humble opinion, at first glance the 18.2 images look crisp and clean, but then the longer I scrutinize I gravitate toward liking the 18.3 images. I seem to find 18.3 has more detail, especially further from the boat.
    Thats what I think too...shouldn’t equate brightness to information content in the image.
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    #58
    None of those are stellar, you guys should go back to lss2’s or maybe the 2 n 1 if Yup has good luck with it.

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    #59
    Quote Originally Posted by grout-scout View Post
    None of those are stellar, you guys should go back to lss2’s or maybe the 2 n 1 if Yup has good luck with it.
    2-in-1 is installed.... Just a little more wiring to tighten up as I pretty much redid the entire console. Don't believe I want me no'mo of that for a while.... But it's coming... with the Garmin units. Get to do AGAIN what I just did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yupitsme View Post
    2-in-1 is installed.... Just a little more wiring to tighten up as I pretty much redid the entire console. Don't believe I want me no'mo of that for a while.... But it's coming... with the Garmin units. Get to do AGAIN what I just did.

    Well now you know exactly what to do!

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