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    All the details are just..... details. They don't mean squat, except if you paid significantly less along the way. Time value of money is real and can be calculated.

    I would be interested if most are paying more or less total taxes this year vs last on the same income.

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    Amazing isn't it, that so many people judge how the tax laws affected them, just by comparing incomes and refunds to last year, when it has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pro-Hunt View Post
    The size of a refund doesn't mean squat!! Figure out what your actual taxable rate for the year was; if it is less than previous years you paid less taxes. Paying less taxes is a good thing right??!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossie3 View Post
    Amazing isn't it, that so many people judge how the tax laws affected them, just by comparing incomes and refunds to last year, when it has nothing to do with the price of tea in China.
    How does your total tax paid compared to last year (assuming equal income)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumping Jimmy View Post
    We seemed to have done well with the new tax law. I am retired and do some 1099 work. The wife works a full time job. We do not itemize on our return due to zero debt. My tax rate was lower this year, I got a better deduction for business expense and the standard deduction was an improvement for us. Bottom line, made more money and paid less taxes. I call that a win.
    Cool, that is a win!

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    I made $1112 more this year than last year. I paid less tax this year per paycheck. I brought home about $30 more each check. And I got almost exactly the same amount back this year in federal and state as the previous year. I made approximately $67,000 last year gross. I must be a rich person because the tax cuts were only for the rich!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pro-Hunt View Post
    The size of a refund doesn't mean squat!! Figure out what your actual taxable rate for the year was; if it is less than previous years you paid less taxes. Paying less taxes is a good thing right??!!
    Exactly ^^^
    The size of refunds is a completely bogus indicator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TownesZ21 View Post
    All the details are just..... details. They don't mean squat, except if you paid significantly less along the way. Time value of money is real and can be calculated.

    I would be interested if most are paying more or less total taxes this year vs last on the same income.
    2017 - paid 9.8% of total income to federal taxes
    2018 - paid 8.35% of total income to federal taxes.

    overall I made more money not a lot but I paid less in federal taxes for 2018 then 2017.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Racingfan View Post
    I made $1112 more this year than last year. I paid less tax this year per paycheck. I brought home about $30 more each check. And I got almost exactly the same amount back this year in federal and state as the previous year. I made approximately $67,000 last year gross. I must be a rich person because the tax cuts were only for the rich!
    If you were paid bi-weekly like most people you paid $332 more in tax this year than last. A reasonable amount considering the $1,112 increase in income. I would guess your tax rate didn't move up or down much at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doorman1 View Post
    2017 - paid 9.8% of total income to federal taxes
    2018 - paid 8.35% of total income to federal taxes.

    overall I made more money not a lot but I paid less in federal taxes for 2018 then 2017.
    Cool, 1.45% decrease isn't massive but I would take it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TownesZ21 View Post
    How does your total tax paid compared to last year (assuming equal income)?
    On my federal income tax:
    For the 2017 calendar my tax paid was 8.68% of my taxable income.
    For the 2018 calendar my tax paid was 7.72% of my taxable income.
    My actual tax rate dropped 0.96%.
    Assuming an equal taxable income of $40,000 between years equates to saving $384 due to the tax cut.
    My withholding rate decreased by 1.69% or 0.73% more than my tax rate did.
    So when I filed, I ended up owing more than last year, but I did get a tax cut. Now, if I didn't know how to figure it, and I just compared incomes and refunds, I'd be pissed, that we were supposed to get a tax cut, but I ended up owing more than I did last year.
    Last edited by mossie3; 02-14-2019 at 03:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nova Kaw 650 View Post
    Exactly ^^^
    The size of refunds is a completely bogus indicator.
    The people who equate the size of their refund from this year to last as the only indicator of whether they paid more or less tax are the same kinds of people who equate fuel economy with the number of miles they can drive on a single tank of gas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1781ccT View Post
    The people who equate the size of their refund from this year to last as the only indicator of whether they paid more or less tax are the same kinds of people who equate fuel economy with the number of miles they can drive on a single tank of gas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1781ccT View Post
    The people who equate the size of their refund from this year to last as the only indicator of whether they paid more or less tax are the same kinds of people who equate fuel economy with the number of miles they can drive on a single tank of gas.
    Lol, ain't that the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mossie3 View Post
    On my federal income tax:
    For the 2017 calendar my tax paid was 8.68% of my taxable income.
    For the 2018 calendar my tax paid was 7.72% of my taxable income.
    My actual tax rate dropped 0.96%.
    Assuming an equal taxable income of $40,000 between years equates to saving $384 due to the tax cut.
    My withholding rate decreased by 1.69% or 0.64% more than my tax rate did.
    So when I filed, I ended up owing more than last year, but I did get a tax cut. Now, if I didn't know how to figure it, and I just compared incomes and refunds, I'd be pissed, that we were supposed to get a tax cut, but I ended up owing more than I did last year.
    Agreed, you are $384 plus a little ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TownesZ21 View Post
    Cool, 1.45% decrease isn't massive but I would take it!
    The best part of the new tax laws for small S-Corp business owners is 20% of the profits you make as a business are not taxable on your personal return.
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    My effective tax rate is up 2.1% over last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bshort View Post
    My effective tax rate is up 2.1% over last year.
    There is the flip side, it will be interesting to see how it all shakes out in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by local16 View Post
    I've been seeing reports that the average return this year so far is much smaller. This was from the IRS
    If you meant refund, that is true. However, that is due to lower withholdings rather than higher taxes. According to the IRS, 80% of taxpayers will pay less than the prior year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief Paduke View Post
    If you meant refund, that is true. However, that is due to lower withholdings rather than higher taxes. According to the IRS, 80% of taxpayers will pay less than the prior year.
    20% won’t and they aren’t the wealthy, they are the upper working class.
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