Renegade 20/Johnson 225 HO Prop Question?

[S_Miketa6]

I own a 2001 Javelin Renegade 20 with a Johnson 225 HO with a 4 blade Renegade 13 1/2 x 23 prop, 6in manual jackplate that I have never adjusted since I have had it. Had it for a few years and boat runs great and has treated me well. It is always running with a tournament load in it with myself and partner and I also have 2 Talons on the back as well. My hole shot has never been the best and my top end speed has never really been good with a full load right around 55mph, I also max out at around 5600-5700 rpm's. By myself and with half tank of gas I am able to run about 59-60 mph. Obviously there is a fair bit of weight in the boat but I would like to at least like to improve my hole shot. Many people I have talked to are not fans of the prop I am running and I have been told to look at a 27p renegade also. I would like to continue with a 4 blade prop but I am open to hear others suggestions and opinions to what I could try and adjust to improve performance of my boat.

[camarojockey]

i have a 2000 r 20 what is you prop to pad height, and yes the 23 renegade is a little small i run a 25 on mine. you should be about 31/4 to 3/18 below the pad for max performance
the ficht i had lost the emm so i have a 93 johnson venom 200 on it, but 225 carbs are in place, and awaiting final parts and checkout. with the 200 at 31/4 below with a 27 shooter 1 person ran 64 at 5900 rpm i dont have poles though. the 25 renegade ran 59 with 2 people at 5950, but that was in new orleans on the intercoastal canal. the shooter is up here in ft worth

[ScottOz]

I own a 2001 Javelin Renegade 20 with a Johnson 225 HO with a 4 blade Renegade 13 1/2 x 23 prop, 6in manual jackplate that I have never adjusted since I have had it. Had it for a few years and boat runs great and has treated me well. It is always running with a tournament load in it with myself and partner and I also have 2 Talons on the back as well. My hole shot has never been the best and my top end speed has never really been good with a full load right around 55mph, I also max out at around 5600-5700 rpm's. By myself and with half tank of gas I am able to run about 59-60 mph. Obviously there is a fair bit of weight in the boat but I would like to at least like to improve my hole shot. Many people I have talked to are not fans of the prop I am running and I have been told to look at a 27p renegade also. I would like to continue with a 4 blade prop but I am open to hear others suggestions and opinions to what I could try and adjust to improve performance of my boat.

That is what I run on my '96 201 with a fastdstrike 150. I turn 5400rpm's and run 57 with medium load. Have had it 59.6. You should be able to turn 25 renegade i would think. you need one of the prop guru's

[MoStratos]

I have a '97 201 with a Johnson 225HO. I run a 25-4 blade Renegade. 6" Hijacker Jackplate. Has been a good setup for me.

[ScottOz]

I have a '97 201 with a Johnson 225HO. I run a 25-4 blade Renegade. 6" Hijacker Jackplate. Has been a good setup for me.

[S_Miketa6]

I will have to look more into what my prop to pad height is. I've never adjusted my jackplate just because I don't have much experience with that. My biggest goal is to improve my hole shot with a full load and add a few mph.

[mactlman]

that prop should be letting motor overrev? need a 25 or 26 likely but suspect your motor is too deep. try 3.5 inches ptp and go up from there slowly. unless that boat is way heavier than my 2000 20 ft stratos, it is really slow for some reason? using a gps? do you have a blow-out ring on prop? is prop vented? what is rpms on take off when fully tucked and full throttle right at roll-over??

[S_Miketa6]

It looks like I will have to experiment with both prop and prop to pad height when I have the chance. I would have to assume we would both have similar weights on our boats as well just seeing what you have. And yes I am using a GPS, no blow out ring and prop is not vented either. Wish there wasn't ice on the lakes at the moment so any testing will have to wait a few more weeks.

that prop should be letting motor overrev? need a 25 or 26 likely but suspect your motor is too deep. try 3.5 inches ptp and go up from there slowly. unless that boat is way heavier than my 2000 20 ft stratos, it is really slow for some reason? using a gps? do you have a blow-out ring on prop? is prop vented? what is rpms on take off when fully tucked and full throttle right at roll-over??

[tdt91]

I've had mine since new, your boat/motor is capable of much more.
1. Ditch the prop and get a 25 Trophy, and possibly a 26 as thats what I can turn easily with my 200HO Etec. Get a new prop as you don't know what used ones are really like. Use the Michigan Wheel #200 hub kit.
2. Check PTP, start at 3.25'' and raise .25'' at a time until you lose speed or WP, then go back a 1/4''.
3. It may start to chine walk on you in the high 60's, learn how to correct chine walk.(watch videos)
4. Our hulls like weight in the azz and it also helps cut back on chine walk. My boat runs better with full fuel and live wells than without. I may lose a MPH or two fully loaded up.
5. I spin a 26 Trophy to 5950 RPM or so in cool weather and hit 73.1 GPS with my 200HO. Tournament loaded I'll run 68 or down to 65 with a big guy and warm weather. I spin the 26 in cool weather and the 25 in warm weather.
6. Take a field trip out here and I'll get you set up right.
P.S. the Trophy props have the PVS system to help get the prop spinning at take off so your hole shot is better. You can fine tune it in most cases.

[ScottOz]

I've had mine since new, your boat/motor is capable of much more.
1. Ditch the prop and get a 25 Trophy, and possibly a 26 as thats what I can turn easily with my 200HO Etec. Get a new prop as you don't know what used ones are really like. Use the Michigan Wheel #200 hub kit.
2. Check PTP, start at 3.25'' and raise .25'' at a time until you lose speed or WP, then go back a 1/4''.
3. It may start to chine walk on you in the high 60's, learn how to correct chine walk.(watch videos)
4. Our hulls like weight in the azz and it also helps cut back on chine walk. My boat runs better with full fuel and live wells than without. I may lose a MPH or two fully loaded up.
5. I spin a 26 Trophy to 5950 RPM or so in cool weather and hit 73.1 GPS with my 200HO. Tournament loaded I'll run 68 or down to 65 with a big guy and warm weather. I spin the 26 in cool weather and the 25 in warm weather.
6. Take a field trip out here and I'll get you set up right.
P.S. the Trophy props have the PVS system to help get the prop spinning at take off so your hole shot is better. You can fine tune it in most cases.

Sounds like you are dialed in. Once they are it's hard to beat the ride.

[S_Miketa6]

I appreciate the help this is definitely the information I am looking for. I may have to take a field trip here soon because cabin fever is setting in!

I've had mine since new, your boat/motor is capable of much more.
1. Ditch the prop and get a 25 Trophy, and possibly a 26 as thats what I can turn easily with my 200HO Etec. Get a new prop as you don't know what used ones are really like. Use the Michigan Wheel #200 hub kit.
2. Check PTP, start at 3.25'' and raise .25'' at a time until you lose speed or WP, then go back a 1/4''.
3. It may start to chine walk on you in the high 60's, learn how to correct chine walk.(watch videos)
4. Our hulls like weight in the azz and it also helps cut back on chine walk. My boat runs better with full fuel and live wells than without. I may lose a MPH or two fully loaded up.
5. I spin a 26 Trophy to 5950 RPM or so in cool weather and hit 73.1 GPS with my 200HO. Tournament loaded I'll run 68 or down to 65 with a big guy and warm weather. I spin the 26 in cool weather and the 25 in warm weather.
6. Take a field trip out here and I'll get you set up right.
P.S. the Trophy props have the PVS system to help get the prop spinning at take off so your hole shot is better. You can fine tune it in most cases.

[joebone1]

pick up a raker ii 22 pitch. you will love your boat again. your top speed will drop but your holeshot will be excellent.

[tdt91]

pick up a raker ii 22 pitch. you will love your boat again. your top speed will drop but your holeshot will be excellent.

Yeah and risk blowing up your motor because your prop pitch is way too small.

[ChampioNman]

Try a 24 P original Raker.

[DustyD26]

I have an 01 R19 with 150 Carbed Johnson. Id to see it do alittle better also. Im running a 23P Renegade 4 blade. Andat WOT (5900) RPM im topped out at 55mph. Idk what my PTP is as ive not measured. But i do have a 6in Manual plate. I also carry ALOT of tackle. I was told recently that thats all my boat is good for is about 55-56mph

[JR19]

I have an 01 R19 with 150 Carbed Johnson. Id to see it do alittle better also. Im running a 23P Renegade 4 blade. Andat WOT (5900) RPM im topped out at 55mph. Idk what my PTP is as ive not measured. But i do have a 6in Manual plate. I also carry ALOT of tackle. I was told recently that thats all my boat is good for is about 55-56mph

I have owned my 1999 JR19 since 2001...when I bought it there was a Ficht 150 on the back and no jack plate and I was turning a 24 Raker to 5500 with unknown prop to pad distance. My GPS history had the fastest speed as 62.8 That was solo and light load of fuel. It was more like 59-61 pending conditions and load. I re-powered with a 150 HO E-TECH HO and added a 6" jack plate so I would have something to mount two Talons to. The HO models push the 10% rule so it's more like 163-165HP. The Talons added about 140 lbs of drag so that pretty much ate up the extra 15 or so HP I gained. With a prop to pad of 3.25" I can turn a 24 Raker II to 5500 when light loaded. Today I aired it out and saw 63.7 Pending load and conditions it's more like 59-62 on a regular basis. Over the years I have spoke to many other JR19 owners and the consensus is they like a 24 Raker and most will flirt with low 60's when conditions are right and run upper 50s all day long...if your at 55 you have some left on the table. Find a 24 Raker and take it for a spin

[jmasengale]

I am in a similar situation with 1999 SS Extreme with 2 Talons on back. RPM gauge is broke (new one coming Tues). Top end is 59 MPH. Prop is 24 pitch ( 3 blade stainless). Boat weighed 2800 before Talons and is now about 3,000lbs. Pad to Prop is about 4.25" now. Gonna raise motor to see if it will help. Appreciate any suggestions.

[tdt91]

I am in a similar situation with 1999 SS Extreme with 2 Talons on back. RPM gauge is broke (new one coming Tues). Top end is 59 MPH. Prop is 24 pitch ( 3 blade stainless). Boat weighed 2800 before Talons and is now about 3,000lbs. Pad to Prop is about 4.25" now. Gonna raise motor to see if it will help. Appreciate any suggestions.

Will be looking for your reports once you have new GPS and take some test runs.

[mactlman]

I am in a similar situation with 1999 SS Extreme with 2 Talons on back. RPM gauge is broke (new one coming Tues). Top end is 59 MPH. Prop is 24 pitch ( 3 blade stainless). Boat weighed 2800 before Talons and is now about 3,000lbs. Pad to Prop is about 4.25" now. Gonna raise motor to see if it will help. Appreciate any suggestions.

go up 1 inch on motor. i run 65 with my set up and your boat is 1 foot shorter and you have a hotter motor if running correctly?. you should be able to use a 25 or 26 prop and run 65-70 or so easily I believe? where did you get that weight from? fully loaded boat/motor/gear?

hull 1600-1700, motor-500, gear 100-fuel? should be 2300-2500 lbs?

[Ugabassangler]

I have the exact boat. A 2001 renegade 20 with the 225 HO Johnson. I have 2 10’ power poles on mine. I’m running a 25 renegade prop and get 66 with 2 people full tank. I get 69-70 by myself. I’m right at 3” below pad with a 10” slidemaster manual jackplate. At 3” below pad I’m still running 30 psi water pressure.