Hey Guys,
got a couple of quick questions, I have a 2012 200 pro xs and I am in need a lower unit,
a buddy has a brand new Torque Master lower unit, the grey one, it has the same gear ratio as mine, (mine is the regular black lower unit)
I am told it will work on my motor, is this correct, and
I was wondering if I will notice any difference in performance?
thanks in advance.......
If the lower unit is a Generation 2 Torquemaster (AKA Wingmaster), then the answer is No.
No as in it won't fit, or no as in no perf difference
Last edited by mpino; 12-17-2018 at 09:30 AM.
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Originally Posted by mpino
No as in it won't fit, or no as in no perf difference
NO......Not allowed per Mercury Bulletin......Big Safety issue!
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sorry, it's been awhile since I posted,
my engine serial no. 1B884959
engine model no. 1200P73EY
the torquemaster serial no. 8M0080099
safety issue? what do you mean, will it grenade?
as far as I can tell, it looks like it will line up perfectly, has anyone done this, or is it pointless because the performance on a 200hp is not enough to warrant using this gearcase.
basically, I got a chance to buy this gearcase for less money than the cost of my stock lower unit. just wondering if worth it for me to buy it and put it on, or am I wasting my money.
Your engine uses a Verado-Style (Service) Gearcase, not a Torquemaster.
The below picture shows a brand-new Gen-2 Torquemaster, and the warning label that is affixed to it (this is in addition to the previously mentioned Service Bulletin):
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Unfortunately they do make grey gen ones that would work that looks like a gen two that won't. Also known as the wing master because of the wing looking thing on the leading edge.
sorry I don't understand this, 1st question is: will this unit bolt up to my motor, and will it spin it properly, the hole thing about kicking up the motor, don't that happen to all motors when you hit an object?
and other than the cost, would this unit not perform the same as my verado gearcase, or in the sense of physical appearance, it looks to be alot stronger built than my verado gearcase.
Mercury clearly states it is neither suitable nor safe on your motor. Whether it fits or not is irrelevant.
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Even if it did performance would be way off really can't beat a Verodo style I just put a gen one on my boat and if it goes again I'm putting a Verodo. Research the wingmaster and you will find they cane out with them when they had to de-tune the motors. They require a lot of set up if I remember correctly like 12 inches of set back etc. there a lot of peaple on this site way way smarter than I they know what can and can't.
Hold my beer! I'm going to do it anyway....warning label is just to make the attorneys happy....
Hold my beer! I'm going to do it anyway....warning label is just to make the attorneys happy....Honestly this isn't a laughing matter. I can assure you that a warning label of that magnitude is not printed and added without some serious consideration.
They've even gone to the trouble to let you know EXACTLY what will happen.
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I'm not trying to perpetuate this thread, but just wondering why this is different than an impact with a verado or gen 1 lower.
Yes, I thought it was pretty specific, but there will always be those that do not believe that applies to them.
They've even gone to the trouble to let you know EXACTLY what will happen.
I don't see how they come up with the idea this Gen 2 case would have any different affect when hitting bottom or impact with a log at 60 mph then any other lower unit. Please show me scientific proof this Gen2 case impacts objects in a different way than a Gen 1.
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Mercury is unlikely to share their data on the subject. My guess is it has to do with the shape of the leading edge and overall design of the Gen 2 gearcase. The TM Gen 2 is much more expensive than the verado gearcase, so Mercury is actually losing money saying that it isn't safe to install the Gen 2 on a motor without the blue cap on the trim cylinder. That makes me think they have a very legitimate reason, and I wouldn't recommend ignoring their warning.
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After reading that warning that Mercury places on Gen 2 TorqueMasters...what prevents the end user from purchasing a blue cap, installing it, then installing the new lower unit?
Is the cap a different size to prevent this, or is the blue cap some kind of pressure relief cap that will blow off with excessive pressure? I've never tried it.
I'm writing this as a "what if" type of question. I understand that there are some differences internally in the pump and swing arm assembly on a Gen 1 vs. Gen 2.
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