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    I've been really torn on this issue. As a Christian, I know the important of spreading the Word, even in the face of adversity. Similarly, as a Sociologist, I value the importance of understanding all types of cultures and studying them would require contact with them.

    However, it's also important to obey the law. Perhaps, most importantly, his presence could have brought a deadly disease to these people. Finally, there is the "Prime Directive" (remember that from the original Star Trek?) which prohibits the interference in the development other cultures.

    Maybe bassworm1 said it best:

    Quote Originally Posted by bassworm1 View Post
    I think he went to do the right thing in spreading the word of God.. BUT the first time when he was hit with an arrow and it stuck into a book he had( probably the bible)and he left he should have taken that as a sign the good Lord had other plans for him and not to go back and tempt fate.
    I saw something similar on a sign in front of a local church this morning: "Trust in God...but lock your car." In other words, one must use the common sense that God gave us, even when it comes to spreading the Word.

    Edit: Similarly, if someone in the pew beside me passes me a rattlesnake, I'm GONE!
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    "The man of system is apt to be very wise in his own conceit; and is often so enamored with the supposed beauty of his own ideal plan of government that he cannot suffer the smallest deviation from any part of it…He seems to imagine that he can arrange the different members of a great society with as much ease as the hand arranges the different pieces upon a chessboard.” Adam Smith, The Theory of Moral Sentiments

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    Quote Originally Posted by bassworm1 View Post
    I think he went to do the right thing in spreading the word of God.. BUT the first time when he was hit with an arrow and it stuck into a book he had( probably the bible)and he left he should have taken that as a sign the good Lord had other plans for him and not to go back and tempt fate.
    It's like a joke from the movie Pusuit of Happiness

    There was a guy in the middle of the ocean with no boat, raft, or anything. A boat comes by and tries to save him. He says no god will save me. Another two boats come by to offer help. He response was the same 'no thanks God will save me'. The guy drowns! When he gets to heaven he asks god why he didn't save him? God's response...."I sent you three boats ya dummy!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by godsdozer View Post
    According to the to the bible, the Gospel had been preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations by the time the NT was completed and then the end did come (PAST TENSE).

    Jesus said: And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. (Matthew 24:14, NIV throughout unless otherwise noted.Many suggest:The gospel is now being preached in every part of the world through personal evangelism, print media, radio and television etc., so obviously, the end must be near.Some might add:We're just not sure how thoroughly God wants the gospel to cover the earth. Jesus did say, "…Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." (Mark 16:15, KJV)If we feel commissioned to take the gospel to the world before Jesus can bring about "the end," we must face a harsh reality. Missionaries tell us that 2.7 billion people have still not been reached with the gospel.1 That's more than the entire population of the earth during the time of Christ.So, after almost 2,000 years, we're actually farther behind than when the apostles were first commissioned. The task at hand is greater today than it was then. Despite the modern communication and transportation tools at our disposal, the number of unreached just keeps growing. However, though no end or resolution is in sight, many Christians think that "the end" will come very soon--probably within their lifetimes. The facts suggest that it's getting farther away from them all the time.Christians have worked tirelessly for hundreds of years trying to fulfill "the great commission" using "the infallible word of God" as their primary teaching tool. What a paradox it is that one of the Bible's principal authors, the apostle Paul, said that the gospel had already been preached "all over the world" in the first century:…I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world. (Romans 1:8)Paul's letter to the church at Rome was probably written about A.D. 57. He wrote in the same manner to the Colossians:…All over the world this gospel is bearing fruit and growing, just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and understood God's grace in all its truth. (Colossians 1:6)Recall Christ's command to preach the gospel to "every creature." Paul answers:…This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant. (Colossians 1:23)Jesus said to preach the gospel to the whole world. Paul said it was done. Jesus said to preach the gospel to every creature. Paul said it was done.No matter what we might perceive "the end" to be, there's no question it was supposed to come immediately after the gospel had been preached "in the whole world". Since it was preached "all over the world" by A.D. 57, it follows that the end must have come soon after.How do we explain this? How could the apostles have reached the whole world in less than 30 years from the time they were commissioned? They didn't have radio or television, they usually walked, rode donkeys or horses at best, and besides that, they didn't even know about such places as the Americas. Where have we gone wrong on this issue?The answer is simple: We have misunderstood the Greek words that have been translated as "world" in our modern versions of the Bible. When we use the term "world," we might mean the whole planet earth, but Jesus, Paul and others in the first century meant something much less. We may have assumed they meant the "globe," but if that's true then Paul's claims are outrageous and ridiculous. To those in the first century the "world" was not the globe we call "planet earth"--it was the Roman Empire.Even if we allow for a little hyperbole in Paul's declaration that the gospel had been preached to "every creature under heaven," to be consistent we must allow for the same degree of hyperbole in Christ's command to "preach the gospel to every creature."It's easy to casually read the Bible through our eyes instead of the eyes of those living in the first century, but Jesus would have spoken to his disciples in terms they were accustomed to, not to the "global view" of people almost 2,000 years in the future.Notice the accusation brought against Paul and Silas when they preached in Thessalonica:…"These men who have caused trouble all over the world have now come here (Acts 17:6)Paul was accused again before Felix:We have found this man to be a troublemaker, stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world… (Acts 24:5)It might be suggested that these accusations were exaggerated, but they are not inconsistent with the other remarks already quoted by those who were not hostile toward the gospel.Non-biblical sources reflect the same limited world view. In the A.D. mid-60s as Herod Agrippa II pleaded with the Jews not to get into a war with the Romans, he described the empire several times as covering the "habitable earth." He said, "...for all that are in the habitable earth are [under the] Romans"2 and he reasoned, "Now, when almost all people under the sun submit to the Roman arms, will you be the only people that make war against them?"3 The Paul Maier version of Josephus translates it this way: "...how could they expect to be successful now when the Romans ruled the world?"The Roman general Titus referred to Rome's rule in similar terms.4 Josephus used the term "habitable earth" countless times in his writings when referring to the empire. Almost 300 years later in The Church History, Eusebius continually used the word "world" to refer to something much less than the entire globe.5 He said that Christ "has filled the entire world with his Christians."6 That was written about A.D. 325.This manner of speaking was not new in the first century. Five centuries earlier, Daniel predicted the Grecian Empire that was to follow the Babylonian and Medo-Persian Empires saying it would "rule over the whole earth" (Daniel 2:39). Nobody believes the Greeks ruled the whole planet. Daniel was using hyperbole.First-century Palestine was ruled by Rome. To Rome's subjects, there was simply nowhere else of any consequence. Their "world" was the Roman Empire, and as far as Paul was concerned, the gospel had been preached to that world by A.D. 57.More evidence:And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed. (Luke 2:1, KJV)Augustus didn't rule the globe--he ruled the Roman Empire. However, Luke, the author of Acts, considered the Roman Empire to be "the world." The NIV translators have updated this verse as follows:In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. (Luke 2:1, NIV)Another NIV correction:KJV:
    And there stood up one of them named Agabus, and signified by the Spirit that there should be great dearth throughout all the world: which came to pass in the days of Claudius Caesar. (Acts 11:28, KJV)
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    One of them, named Agabus, stood up and through the Spirit predicted that a severe famine would spread over the entire Roman world. (This happened during the reign of Claudius.) (Acts 11:28, NIV)
    Some might argue, "Well, they just didn't know that the world was much bigger like we do today." This is not true. The Parthian Empire lay to the east and they were well aware of it (Acts 2:9). Still, they referred to the Roman Empire as "all the world." We may not like this loose definition, but it’s the one people in the first-century used and if we're going to understand what they were talking about, we will have to use it too.The preaching of the gospel "in the whole world" was supposed to be fulfilled within one generation of Christ's earthly ministry (Matthew 24:34). Why should we be surprised to find that it was? There is no need to require a modern fulfillment of this or anything else in Matthew 24. This does not preclude preaching the gospel in our day, it's just that our day is not what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 24.It's possible that when Jesus said, "in the whole world" he meant "as opposed to just Judea." That is, no longer would the knowledge of salvation be limited to Jews in Palestine as he had specified in Matthew 10:5-6, but the gospel would be preached outside Palestine in places far beyond Jerusalem, and that gentiles would be calling on the name of the true God. The preaching of the gospel to gentile nations and the resulting conversions served as a "testimony" to the Jews that the New Covenant had come into effect. The Jews had 40 years of grace to recognize this testimony and respond. Many did, but most didn't. So, the end came. The spring of A.D. 67 marked the beginning of a 3˝-year period of tribulation unlike anything the Jews had ever known. Roman armies invaded Palestine from the north and began burning town after town, either killing the inhabitants or selling them into slavery. Finally, in A.D. 70, Jerusalem and the temple were destroyed and Jewish animal sacrifices ceased. These were the final events of the Old Covenant era.
    I will have to disagree. If your assessment is correct, we are now past the 1000 year kingdom, and we seen nothing like the kingdom reign as listed in the Bible. God has not backed out of his covenant with Israel, it was put on hold in our current dispensation IMO.

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    So what the difference in our borders? We should do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grandbassslayer View Post
    I will have to disagree. If your assessment is correct, we are now past the 1000 year kingdom, and we seen nothing like the kingdom reign as listed in the Bible. God has not backed out of his covenant with Israel, it was put on hold in our current dispensation IMO.
    Right. That seems to be a copy/paste job from who knows where. It creates more questions than gives answers. Questions such as...where are we now? There is so much of God's word that has not come to past according to the end time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fishin couillon View Post
    The guy that got killed was a straight up dumbass......what did he expect.........for them to greet him with flowers
    Agree 1000%. What a moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie View Post
    So what the difference in our borders? We should do the same.
    LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by grandbassslayer View Post
    I will have to disagree. If your assessment is correct, we are now past the 1000 year kingdom, and we seen nothing like the kingdom reign as listed in the Bible. God has not backed out of his covenant with Israel, it was put on hold in our current dispensation IMO.
    Disagree with me ? Really ? I just posted several NT scriptures that said the Gospel has been (past tense) preached to every creature under heaven . Your argument isn't with me, its with the Bible and what it stated in the first century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grandbassslayer View Post
    I will have to disagree. If your assessment is correct, we are now past the 1000 year kingdom, and we seen nothing like the kingdom reign as listed in the Bible. God has not backed out of his covenant with Israel, it was put on hold in our current dispensation IMO.

    God has put nothing on Hold. Show me one verse, one text, one chapter that said he would put a hold on his new covenant. You need to inquire / research the beginning's of Dispensationalism….. Hint : Margret McDonald...……………...John Darby, C.I Scofield and his ridiculous reference bible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by godsdozer View Post
    Disagree with me ? Really ? I just posted several NT scriptures that said the Gospel has been (past tense) preached to every creature under heaven . Your argument isn't with me, its with the Bible and what it stated in the first century.
    Its not the same gospel. Do you tell people to repent, be water baptised for remission of sins and follow the law?
    Or do you tell them to put their faith in Jesus Christ and the finished work of the cross?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 188Musky View Post
    And yet, they murder someone that means no harm at all, just for temporarily existing in their realm.

    I like Jeff's thoughts:

    Yes you are right except for those diseases and such that could wipe out their entire civilization, but lets not get to technical about it.

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