300r ?

[Tim Powell]

There’s a shocker!!!

[xb03]

So, how does it compare to the 300xs?

[Tim Powell]

I havent got my hands on a 300R...YET. But everything I see from hands on with the 250R is dang impressive.

The 300 is going to be a beast!

[rclark1]

Paul Nichols said 250R and 250 opti were about the same but the 300R was stronger than the 300 opti.

[fishnfireman]

Wonder how long before Paul puts some taller gears in one ??

[white gambler]

Paul Nichols said 250R and 250 opti were about the same but the 300R was stronger than the 300 opti.

That's hard to believe about the 250's...especially compared to the last year or two optis.

[Props4u2]

I'm surprised Paul said that, there is day and night difference in the bottom end and mid range power.
The top end may be close to the same if both were set up perfect, but the 250r will be so far ahead of the 250xs leaving from an idle, that the xs would never catch up.

[TB21]

I thought the same thing.....

I'm surprised Paul said that, there is day and night difference in the bottom end and mid range power.
The top end may be close to the same if both were set up perfect, but the 250r will be so far ahead of the 250xs leaving from an idle, that the xs would never catch up.

[River Rocket]

I'm surprised Paul said that, there is day and night difference in the bottom end and mid range power.
The top end may be close to the same if both were set up perfect, but the 250r will be so far ahead of the 250xs leaving from an idle, that the xs would never catch up.

In the spirit of good debate I will say I didn't see that at all.

I have logged data for both motors and the 250XS was quicker in the 5-85 and pulled to top speed from 60 much faster. Both were 250's with 1.75's. Not the same boats, but both loaded fishing Allison's. Don't take this wrong. I was impressed with the R and feel very fortunate to be able to have run one. If I was buying a brand new boat or was forced to repower I wouldn't flinch at getting the R.

I just didn't see a night and day difference and I wouldn't bet on one winning a race from idle. Especially not in East Texas....... LOL

[K-DAWG]

The real question is will they be able to break the code and get big power out of them like they did the Yamaha SHO's? Another question is are they going to offer a 1.62 sporty for them. Reading up on the Bullet guys they are having to run a 34 pitch CNC prop to get big numbers and keep the 300R off the rev limiter. There is a guy here in Jacksonville with a 21 foot Bullet running over 110 with that combo. Also, Are the new V-6 4 strokes 150-225 going to have a compatible sporty gearcase? Those with the weight being around 450 would IMHO be a great motor for the smaller Allisons XB-2002's/2003's. There are lots of things I am waiting to see or hear about.

[fishnfireman]

In the spirit of good debate I will say I didn't see that at all.

I have logged data for both motors and the 250XS was quicker in the 5-85 and pulled to top speed from 60 much faster. Both were 250's with 1.75's. Not the same boats, but both loaded fishing Allison's. Don't take this wrong. I was impressed with the R and feel very fortunate to be able to have run one. If I was buying a brand new boat or was forced to repower I wouldn't flinch at getting the R.

I just didn't see a night and day difference and I wouldn't bet on one winning a race from idle. Especially not in East Texas....... LOL

Apples to apples .. How many were comparing the same gears.

I wouldn't bet on one winning a race from idle. Especially not in East Texas

Not me.

[Props4u2]

In the spirit of good debate I will say I didn't see that at all.

I have logged data for both motors and the 250XS was quicker in the 5-85 and pulled to top speed from 60 much faster. Both were 250's with 1.75's. Not the same boats, but both loaded fishing Allison's. Don't take this wrong. I was impressed with the R and feel very fortunate to be able to have run one. If I was buying a brand new boat or was forced to repower I wouldn't flinch at getting the R.

I just didn't see a night and day difference and I wouldn't bet on one winning a race from idle. Especially not in East Texas....... LOL

Don't get me wrong, I am a die hard 2-stroke guy, and have not done any data logging, just seat of the pants and watching how quick the numbers come up.
Comparing two different 21 BasSport Pro's in that manner, both with 1.75 ratio's and 28p Pro Max props, the hole shot and acceleration is just no comparison in my opinion. This is even running the 250xs right after break-in with nothing in the boat except safety gear and two guys. The 250r is a good two seconds quicker from 0 to the time the bow drops and from 40 to 50 mph when you floor it it will actually set you back in the seat and cock the boat up on the side even with a tournament and the same two guys. The acceleration in the mid range is what I have missed on the 21 footers since day one, I loved the way a 2003 would accelerate with a 225 Pro Max, the 250r gets pretty close to doing the same on the 21's from what I've seen.
Maybe the 250r you ran did not have the throttle set up correctly, the only way you can set it is with a Mercury CDS or G3 computer.

[Tim Powell]

There is a guy here in Jacksonville with a 21 foot Bullet running over 110 with that combo.

Steve is running a 20' Bullet at 110, no troller, fishing gear, etc.....not a 21.

[tomoad]

Steve is running a 20' Bullet at 110, no troller, fishing gear, etc.....not a 21.

thats what I was thinking. 20ft’er

[Tim Powell]

Still dang impressive!

[Johnny Maxwell]

I have seen 3 of the 250 R’s running now. Not ions of time driving and watching them, but a considerable amount of time given the running was none/stop for many hours on end. I’ve owned a a few, no I’d have to say I have owned many 250 2-strokes over the years. My opinion is the same as Paul’s. The R Motor’s have a crazy holeshot and the midrange is faster IMHO than 2-strokes. Geoff when we wore Woody’s boat and motor out at my place this summer, as impressive as it was, it wasn’t broke in. I think that may be the different in this debate.

[catfish123]

I am confused. Paul said they were about the same. You say the R Motor's have a crazy holeshot and the midrange is faster IMHO than 2-strokes. You then say your opinion is the same as Paul's. Probably me but I don't understand? It sounds like your opinion is not the same as Paul's?

[NOTGSXR]

I am confused. Paul said they were about the same. You say the R Motor's have a crazy holeshot and the midrange is faster IMHO than 2-strokes. You then say your opinion is the same as Paul's. Probably me but I don't understand? It sounds like your opinion is not the same as Paul's?

I was confused as well lol

[Johnny Maxwell]

I am confused. Paul said they were about the same. You say the R Motor's have a crazy holeshot and the midrange is faster IMHO than 2-strokes. You then say your opinion is the same as Paul's. Probably me but I don't understand? It sounds like your opinion is not the same as Paul's?

Sorry Catfish, I misread Lee's comment. "I'm surprised Paul said that, there is day and night difference in the bottom end and mid range power.
The top end may be close to the same if both were set up perfect, but the 250r will be so far ahead of the 250xs leaving from an idle, that the xs would never catch up." I was reading that last line as a take from Paul. I'm in agreement with Lee and not Paul based on what I saw. 15 hours yesterday with 95% of the daylight hours running these R motors had me tired last night. LOL

[Johnny Maxwell]

I was confused as well lol

Dan be honest, it don't take much to confuse a yankee. LOL