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    USA Bassin 2019-2020 changes

    For those of you who fish USA Bassin and who haven’t seen this yet I am attaching a link below. Thoughts?

    http://www.usabassin.com/modules.php...ticle&sid=1393

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    I like moving the classic to a lake that doesn't have a division. Kudos to them for trying to make it better for the anglers.

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    I have no dog in this fight but from an outsider looking in I like all the changes except for 1...can't fish in any classic event title if you won 3 in the last 10 years. There is no need for me to be politically correct here so I will just be blunt. USA Bassin went to the extreme to make sure Meunier/Heckel do not hurt the feelings of anglers that can't handle their reign of domination. People can debate many reason why it was moved from KY Lake (carp,taxes,locals,repeat winners)but only a blind person would not see they were part of the reason. I know neither one of these guys nor do I have any association with them. I do like keeping up with results from bass tournaments so this is the only way I know those names.

    The 30 day off limit is not that bad.
    No guides allowed from the lake your fishing should be on any tournament that pays enough to win thousands of $

    The no division on the lake I understand but that is a little extreme as well. But a serious bass fisherman who fishes tournaments and is local to the lake will just go down the road and qualify at another lake. What's going to be funny is when a "local" still wins. I suppose USA will have to change it so your prohibited from fishing if you live within 50 miles of the lake. I have no problems with rules that have a clear intent to level the playing field for everyone, but rules that single out people and restrict them are just plain wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JR19 View Post
    I have no problems with rules that have a clear intent to level the playing field for everyone, but rules that single out people and restrict them are just plain wrong.
    Seen this happen before and I agree with you Gene

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    about right Gene.Pick up your game or get out of it.lol..I did the latter.Funny thing is just
    like back when i fished renegade people complained about Beauchamp&Long and
    Gary & Donnie stinson beating everyones ass like a drum.Funny thing the ones
    bitching were never in contention anyway even if those guys stayed home.
    local or not it takes an incredible amount of homework and time to be that
    consistent.with todays technology and ease of info i really don't see the rules
    leveling much.

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    They should of moved the classic to a different lake every couple of years. I think lake Cumberland would be a good place. Probably easier said than done.

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    They should of moved the classic to a different lake every couple of years. I think lake Cumberland would be a good place. Probably easier said than done.
    It usely has a lot to do with the money tours committee wants to put up and how years they sign for.

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    Part of the move is due to the same guys winning. They have one the lucus oil tournament three times and the classic three times. I say good job to them and that just makes me want to beat them that much more. There where a lot of fishermen and directors complaining about them. It sounds to me these guys need to practice more.
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    Bottom line: main reason for this move is $. Sorry the people in office in Marshall County Ky didn’t feel like it was worth their while to try and keep these tournaments in their area and some in Dayton Tn can see the benefits to their local economy. As for the other changes, I think there are being put in place to try and help to keep as level a playing field as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 59tomitriton View Post
    Bottom line: main reason for this move is $. Sorry the people in office in Marshall County Ky didn’t feel like it was worth their while to try and keep these tournaments in their area and some in Dayton Tn can see the benefits to their local economy. As for the other changes, I think there are being put in place to try and help to keep as level a playing field as possible.
    Yes sir, a few years back that was the same reason NTBA left ky lake and went Cumberland and Barren cause they put more money up then Marshall co. did.

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    I think we can all agree there is multiple reasons why this event was moved. In no particular order of importance it was more than likely carp, taxes, local domination, repeat winners and anglers who voiced their opinion to get it move for various other reasons. I think to point out one reason and say that is the reason is not accurate. It was more like a perfect storm that came together.
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    The previous champions rule is a bunch of BS. If you can't beat the guys winning you shouldn't have to put a rule in place to keep them from fishing. You just need to pull up your pants and practice more, bet better or stay at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR21Bassin View Post
    The previous champions rule is a bunch of BS. If you can't beat the guys winning you shouldn't have to put a rule in place to keep them from fishing. You just need to pull up your pants and practice more, bet better or stay at home.
    Agree with this. That rule is completely absurd. Punishing someone that has crafted their skill and put time into learning lakes get punished for being good. Craziest thing I've ever heard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TR21Bassin View Post
    The previous champions rule is a bunch of BS. If you can't beat the guys winning you shouldn't have to put a rule in place to keep them from fishing. You just need to pull up your pants and practice more, bet better or stay at home.
    Amen to that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TR21Bassin View Post
    The previous champions rule is a bunch of BS. If you can't beat the guys winning you shouldn't have to put a rule in place to keep them from fishing. You just need to pull up your pants and practice more, bet better or stay at home.
    I agree with this 100% and ive been beat by them every year. The USA Bassin sets up their parameters to keep "pros" from fishing their circuit and imo if you meet them you should be allowed to fish no matter how many times you win. Im sure we'll see the same thing at Chick and any other lake you go to, certain teams are always tough to beat at certain times of the year
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    Quote Originally Posted by TR21Bassin View Post
    The previous champions rule is a bunch of BS. If you can't beat the guys winning you shouldn't have to put a rule in place to keep them from fishing. You just need to pull up your pants and practice more, bet better or stay at home.
    How do practice more on KY lake when you're from Massachusetts, Kansas, New Jersey etc? It's advertised as a national tournament trail so the classic should have been moved to a different state every year and all this would have been avoided. Locals winning every year against guys that live 12+ hours away isn't cool for those traveling that far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skeeterator View Post
    How do practice more on KY lake when you're from Massachusetts, Kansas, New Jersey etc? It's advertised as a national tournament trail so the classic should have been moved to a different state every year and all this would have been avoided. Locals winning every year against guys that live 12+ hours away isn't cool for those traveling that far.
    Local or semi-local advantage will always be there regardless where an event is held. "Locals" will drive further if need to be to qualify to fish on their home body of water for large prizes. Anglers have to get their start somewhere and typically that's lakes closer to home and sometimes the opportunity knocks to fish a big tourney on your home lake. Local advantage even occurs in the sport's top circuits, look how guys excel when tourneys are scheduled close to home. It's unavoidable and just the nature of the sport.

    However, rotating the venue does help level things as a whole and allow the classic to be held on a body of water that is closer or more similar to what an angler is used to, even when traveling. But even then, look to the guys that put time in on that body of water regularly to hoist the trophy at the end in any weekend amateur tourney.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dstep0 View Post
    Local or semi-local advantage will always be there regardless where an event is held. "Locals" will drive further if need to be to qualify to fish on their home body of water for large prizes. Anglers have to get their start somewhere and typically that's lakes closer to home and sometimes the opportunity knocks to fish a big tourney on your home lake. Local advantage even occurs in the sport's top circuits, look how guys excel when tourneys are scheduled close to home. It's unavoidable and just the nature of the sport.

    However, rotating the venue does help level things as a whole and allow the classic to be held on a body of water that is closer or more similar to what an angler is used to, even when traveling. But even then, look to the guys that put time in on that body of water regularly to hoist the trophy at the end in any weekend amateur tourney.
    They are only rotating it around the same region. Why on earth would anyone out side that region bother to fish this tour ?
    Should just call it TVA Bassn, or KY area Bassin. Looks like they have multiple regions and advertise it as a national event,, but seems like they are FOS. Should be in a different region every year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe4d View Post
    They are only rotating it around the same region. Why on earth would anyone out side that region bother to fish this tour ?
    Should just call it TVA Bassn, or KY area Bassin. Looks like they have multiple regions and advertise it as a national event,, but seems like they are FOS. Should be in a different region every year.

    I think the fact that its pretty centralized in the eastern part of the US draws a lot of the appeal. You have people that come from up north and down south to fish it. You move the classic to the northeast or southeast and the classic would likely lose many boats. Im sure theyll lose some boats because they moved to Chick even though its likely a much better fishery that KY/Barkley at the moment just because people were familiar with going to those lakes.
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    I think the change of venue was long overdue. First, they shouldn't be holding their championship week on the same lake that they have a regular division tournaments. Second, not a huge fan of the new rules of the amount wins you can have. I do understand the reasoning behind them though. I don't think they should be fishing the same body of water for more than 5 years for the championship week. For example, pick 3 lakes that you don't have a division, and rotate through them every 5 years. It would then be 10 years before you went back to a body of water. Kind of keeps it more interesting that way.

    If the same guys keep winning and the directors think something is going on, then put a boat on them. I bet KVD would be crazy mad if back in his hay day, he was told he couldn't win anymore...

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