what knot is this?

[kercha83]

at the 7 mins 15 sec, what knot is Shin using to join his leader to braid? http://www.tacklewarehouse.com/YGK_G...ge-OHDRAG.html

[kercha83]

sorry couldn't get just the video up, you have to click on the "product video" to see the video

[VictorM.]

It's a knot that he and Takamori Omori came up with.. Supposedly it's an improved version of another knot but which one I can't tell you.. Always just heard it called the Shin knot... Definitely works..

[Walkabout7781]

I went to TW, got the video loaded and running, then right clicked on it. The drop down menu's top choice is "copy video url"...right clicked that. Came back to BBC and just pasted the url into my post.

FWIW, I think the WWW icon (earth globe) doesn't work right at all. Not sure if the moderators could fix it or not, but it has always been fubar, IMO. Might require some software editing to fix it.

[DrewFlu33]

Here's the video I've seen of him demonstrating only the knot:


It's very similar to an Albright knot except instead of wrapping over the mainline he's wrapping only over the leader. I think the advantage there is that it cinches down easier and so offers less risk of burning the fluoro.

[Jaydbee]

Looks to me like a hybrid Albright/Uni knot.

[reason162]

It's very similar to an Albright knot except instead of wrapping over the mainline he's wrapping only over the leader. I think the advantage there is that it cinches down easier and so offers less risk of burning the fluoro.

We call it the lazy Alberto. One thing is to make sure your wraps don't cross on the initial seating. I slowly, slowly pull all 4 lines without lube until all the wraps are close to abutting each other. Then wet and seat pulling all 4 lines, and wet again and pull tight to finish, main braid line to main floro leader. If you lube/wet too early, the wraps can easily overlap, greatly weakening the finished knot.

[DrewFlu33]

We call it the lazy Alberto. One thing is to make sure your wraps don't cross on the initial seating. I slowly, slowly pull all 4 lines without lube until all the wraps are close to abutting each other. Then wet and seat pulling all 4 lines, and wet again and pull tight to finish, main braid line to main floro leader. If you lube/wet too early, the wraps can easily overlap, greatly weakening the finished knot.

Assuming wraps don't cross, is the thought about it being stronger due to less risk of burning the leader accurate in your experience? I suppose that comes at a cost of being more easy to pull out relatively speaking, though with 10 wraps in between the "in and out" motions to start and finish the knot respectively that would be something very far from my mind.

I've always figured an Alberto or "modified Albright" involved wrapping down and up while an Albright (also heard it called Royal Polaris or RP) only involved wrapping up. So many similar knots and regional naming conventions out there that it's often tough to tell what knot someone is tying based only on the name!

[reason162]

Assuming wraps don't cross, is the thought about it being stronger due to less risk of burning the leader accurate in your experience? I suppose that comes at a cost of being more easy to pull out relatively speaking, though with 10 wraps in between the "in and out" motions to start and finish the knot respectively that would be something very far from my mind.

I've always figured an Alberto or "modified Albright" involved wrapping down and up while an Albright (also heard it called Royal Polaris or RP) only involved wrapping up. So many similar knots and regional naming conventions out there that it's often tough to tell what knot someone is tying based only on the name!

Yeah, to me it's half an alberto knot, but so far so good in terms of strength. I find it much easier to keep the wraps from crossing each other with this lazy version vs wrapping up and down, likewise vs the albright, where you're wrapping up but pulling down, if that makes sense. When I tie the traditional alberto knot, sometimes I'll get a weird bulge or lump somewhere in the knot, a sign that one or more of my wraps have gone astray in the tensioning process. With the Shin Fukae version, I can see every wrap abutting one another as it cinches down, and every knot looks exactly the same, esp if I take my time to seat it properly before the final tensioning.

I believe Aquaholiks, guy with the braid/knot spreadsheet, is testing the lazy alberto knot. Hopefully his findings will mirror my own, very unscientific conclusion that this knot is a winner.

[DrewFlu33]

Awesome insight. I’ve also had similar issues with the Alberto, especially with thin diameter lines. Thank you!

[limit5bass]

will have to try the Shin knot.