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    Quote Originally Posted by EuropeanAM View Post
    The question of other battery TYPES that otherwise meet the specifications was brought up in class recently. As of that time, the only response was "AGM Battery is Required". No other explanation(s) offered.

    I suspect that this is related to the Charging Strategy of the new engine models.
    AGM Battery is an aligned glass mesh filled with a gel vs a deep cycle battery which is plates fill with liquid. AGM batteries are supposed to with stand heat and vibration better than plates w/ liquid. Deep cycle batteries may or may not provide the CCA needed by the new engines. My choice has always been Odyssey AGM.

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    #42
    Make that the Aaflac Duck, Mike. Thanks for the graphic- hope it helps some.


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    Did some recon on the two dominant batteries warranty as I will be replacing my PM1's soon.

    Subject: RE: ODYSSEY warranty Inquiry

    From Odyssey:
    For clarification, the warranty period is based on the application use and battery model (group sized or not and Extreme vs. Performance). All ODYSSEY product in a non-engine start (deep cycling) application use have a 2 year warranty for manufacturing defects. This includes trolling motors, house loads, and other auxiliary loads. The PC2150 is an Extreme ODYSSEY BCI group 31 sized battery so it has a 4 year warranty as an engine start battery and 2 years for non engine start application use.

    Northstar X2 warranty


    As both batteries are very close in performance data I will opt for the X2 due to the unrestricted 4 year warranty regardless if it's used for starting or trolling motor use. Only makes sense....

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    #44
    Lithium Pros M3110 more than big enough

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    Advance the lithium technology some more, increase the warranty to 5 years not pro-rated, get the price down to <$400 per battery, and get Mercury to accept it for use.

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    #46
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesxpress View Post
    Advance the lithium technology some more, increase the warranty to 5 years not pro-rated, get the price down to <$400 per battery, and get Mercury to accept it for use.
    Joe- absolutely appreciate your input on the batteries- and have a number of folks running them in the Optimax setups.

    Unfortunately the OEM (Mercury) Specifies ONLY an AGM Battery be used with the new V6 or V8 Product.


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    Optima blue d31 on sale for 330$ CAD. cheap cheap.
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    Joe I did want to add that I remember reading a few years back that the X2 batteries are indeed the same as Odyessy. The article was saying that the guy that invented the Odyssey kept the patent when he sold the company, then went with Batteries and Bulbs as the exclusive distributor for his then 'new' line of batteries.
    The main talking point was that it is the same battery, just $100 cheaper.
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    #49
    Batteries Plus X2 is Northstar. Very good battery. Turns my 250R easily

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12many View Post
    Optima blue d31 on sale for 330$ CAD. cheap cheap.
    Look at the comparisons:

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    ya I'm talking canadian $$ that's like250 usd.. other 2 listed are over 500$ canadian and no local suppliers . either way I run a house battery battery with electronics i run. minnkota dc charger charges it and trollers when main engine on.

    optima for just cranking be fine dont you think ? only motor and minnkota dc charger source . will be connected
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    Update on warranty clarification from Batteries+:
    Hello Mike,

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    The warranty can vary based on the application it’s being used in. This Odyssey battery is classified as marine, so if used in a starting marine application it will have a 3-year warranty, and a 2-year warranty for cycling applications. The X2 Power warranty will be similar as a 4-year replacement warranty for marine starting applications, and 2 year warranty for cycling applications.

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    Odyssey warranty:

    ·******** 2 years for Auxiliary Power Unit (APU) and other non-engine start cycling applications.

    ·******** 2 years for power sports applications.

    ·******** 3 years for commercial, industrial, marine and automotive applications in non-BCI sizes.

    ·******** 4 years for an engine starting application for PC1220, PC1350, PC2250 and all BCI sizes.

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    X2 Power warranty:

    ·******** Personal (Non-Commercial Use) Marine and Recreational Vehicle Batteries are warranted for a period of FOUR (4) years free replacement

    ·******** Commercial Light and Heavy Duty Non-Starting Cycling Applications are warranted for a period of TWO (2) years free replacement

    ·******** Emergency Vehicle Applications (including Police, Fire, and Ambulance) are warranted for a period of TWO (2) years free replacement

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    I hope this helps clarify. Please let me know if you need anything else.

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    #53
    Still curious about Lithium batteries, this is a huge flop for Mercury if the newest greatest motor technology won't match up with the newest greatest battery technology! I've been with Mercury for 18 years but that might be a deal breaker for me.
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    #54
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesxpress View Post
    Advance the lithium technology some more, increase the warranty to 5 years not pro-rated, get the price down to <$400 per battery, and get Mercury to accept it for use.
    Spot on Mike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverFox579 View Post
    Spot on Mike.
    And give us a straight answer on what to do if they go into overload and catch fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe4d View Post
    And give us a straight answer on what to do if they go into overload and catch fire.
    Don't think it's necessary to go there.

    Fact is- these new engine models have programming that allows the PCM to manipulate engine idle speed to increase alternator output, when conditions are met. This is a HUGE benefit to the power-hungry fishing boat with three wide-screen TV's, pumps that could fill a small swimming pool, a couple ram jacks mounted to the back, and who knows what else, PLUS their new Mercury V6 or V8 Fourstroke.

    Although it has not been officially stated this way, I more than suspect the AGM Battery REQUIREMENT is due to a combination of the Electrical Demand Requirements of the engine, AND the Idle Charge Strategy that would require a relatively consistent type of battery to match the programming.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe4d View Post
    And give us a straight answer on what to do if they go into overload and catch fire.
    I gave up asking that one.
    Most of the guys that are running them don't know the existing fire extinguisher the USCG requires you to have in your boat will not put a lithium battery fire out.

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    #58
    Quote Originally Posted by mikesxpress View Post
    I gave up asking that one.
    Most of the guys that are running them don't know the existing fire extinguisher the USCG requires you to have in your boat will not put a lithium battery fire out.
    Or that it was likely stuck in Kidde's Plastic Handle Fire Extinguisher Recall (click here for info)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesxpress View Post
    I gave up asking that one.
    Most of the guys that are running them don't know the existing fire extinguisher the USCG requires you to have in your boat will not put a lithium battery fire out.
    You can use a Class D fire extinguisher or dry sand.

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    Not,, Lithium batteries dont have enough lithium to be class D, I imagine a D would be pretty worthless as well. Its not the extinguishing, its the fact they do a chain reaction melt down,, and nothing will really stop that reaction once it starts. Only thing you can do is keep it cold enough to prevent damage to anything near by until said reaction has run its course. In a electric car sized lithium this could be days,,, in one of these group 31 size ? obviously less.

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