Pens make bad grades

[hugo_stiglitz]

So are you implying that if inventors could make a grenade sized nuclear device that could be fired from a shoulder mounted weapon, that everyone should be able to have their own personal nuclear weapon because some people believe their 2A rights supercede all other rights?

I didn't say one right supersedes anything. And if you want to go from small arms to nukes we can't have a discussion. But it is clear that whatever weapons are common to individual soldiers are the intent of the amendment. The infringements upon that right currently have not changed for a long time so they are socially settled. But to start advancing restrictions further will 100 percent destroy the ability for the amendment to protect what it was meant to protect.

[TampaJim]

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

What ... A well regulated Militia shall not be infringed.
Why ... It’s necessary to the security of a free state.
How ... Allowing people to keep and bear arms.

ALL of this can be very easily accomplished by allowing private gun ownership of long arms AND by restricting them to residences UNLESS a “well regulated Militia” were called into service.

The NRA will tell you otherwise because it’s not economically advantageous otherwise.

Keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
We usually call that insanity. And we are getting better at it daily.
If firearms REALLY made us safer, we’d absolutely be the safest country in the world.

[hugo_stiglitz]

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

English 101 ... A well regulated Militia shall not be infringed.
Why ... necessary to the security of a free state.
How ... people to keep and bear arms.

ALL of this can be very easily accomplished by allowing private gun ownership of long arms AND by restricting them to residences UNLESS a “well regulated Militia” were called into service.

The NRA will tell you otherwise because it’s not economically advantageous otherwise.

Keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
We usually call that insanity. And we are getting better at it daily.
If firearms REALLY made us safer, we’d absolutely be the safest country in the world.

Except for that pesky portion "bear". To carry with you.

[D.O.C. 989]

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

What ... A well regulated Militia shall not be infringed.
Why ... It’s necessary to the security of a free state.
How ... Allowing people to keep and bear arms.

ALL of this can be very easily accomplished by allowing private gun ownership of long arms AND by restricting them to residences UNLESS a “well regulated Militia” were called into service.

The NRA will tell you otherwise because it’s not economically advantageous otherwise.

Keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
We usually call that insanity. And we are getting better at it daily.
If firearms REALLY made us safer, we’d absolutely be the safest country in the world.

What about hunters, trap and skeet shooters, target shooters?

[TampaJim]

What about hunters, trap and skeet shooters, target shooters?

Congress could work it out after turning off the NRA hotline.
Locked in cases to/from ranges, hunting areas, etc.?
Capacity of 5/6 rounds? Biometric locks? Other measures?

Just believe that prayers won’t stop hurricanes or mass murder.
We need to do something to make the US safer.
Maybe we should ‘dial a friend’ and ask Canada and others.
There’s no doubt we have manufactured more than just weapons.
We’ve managed to create a war zone ... and not just overseas.

[Alan S]

When the Boston Marathon bombing happened, did they blame the bomb? Did they outlaw pressure cookers?

[USMC2112]

mi·li·tia
məˈliSHə/
noun

• a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.
  
  
  
  I would be willing to bet the founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing when they used this word and I for one would be surprised if their intent wasn’t for the militia be as well armed as possible.
  
  
  
  

[hugo_stiglitz]

We need to do something to make the US safer.

We’ve managed to create a war zone ... and not just overseas.

Hyperbole with no grounding in realism whatsoever.

[hugo_stiglitz]

mi·li·tia
məˈliSHə/
noun

• a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.
  
  
  
  I would be willing to bet the founding fathers knew exactly what they were doing when they used this word and I for one would be surprised if their intent wasn’t for the militia be as well armed as possible.
  
  
  
  

Cannon and warships were privately owned and used by people other than the Navy in those years. Actual 18th century equivalent to a battleship.

[hatcreek]

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

English 101 ... A well regulated Militia shall not be infringed.
Why ... It’s necessary to the security of a free state.
How ... Allowing people to keep and bear arms.

ALL of this can be very easily accomplished by allowing private gun ownership of long arms AND by restricting them to residences UNLESS a “well regulated Militia” were called into service.

The NRA will tell you otherwise if for no other reason it’s not economically advantageous.

Sorry, Jim... I was able to snag that bolded part in your post above (emphasis mine) before you edited it.

Constitution 101... "A well regulated Militia shall not be infringed." is not how the amendment was written (and you already know that because you used the actual wording as your first sentence)... Rather, it completely changes the meaning and is no more/no less than your opinion regarding how you believe it should be interpreted. The remainder of your post is a continuation of that opinion, to which you're certainly entitled.

The SCOTUS doesn't happen to agree with your interpretation/opinion and has ruled, more than once, that the term, "the people" refers to individual citizens... not in the aggregate.

And, coincidentally, the NRA doesn't need to tell me anything... What I need to know is all plainly right there on the parchment.

[Murph]

Sorry, Jim... I was able to snag that bolded part in your post above (emphasis mine) before you edited it.

Constitution 101... "A well regulated Militia shall not be infringed." is not how the amendment was written (and you already know that because you used the actual wording as your first sentence)... Rather, it completely changes the meaning and is no more/no less than your opinion regarding how you believe it should be interpreted. The remainder of your post is a continuation of that opinion, to which you're certainly entitled.

The SCOTUS doesn't happen to agree with your interpretation/opinion and has ruled, more than once, that the term, "the people" refers to individual citizens... not in the aggregate.

And, coincidentally, the NRA doesn't need to tell me anything... What I need to know is all plainly right there on the parchment.

Why can't he get the ball to the top?

[USMC2112]

Why can't he get the ball to the top?

Ecoboost.

[hatcreek]

Why can't he get the ball to the top?

I've got it narrowed down to these two...


Really Short Zorb Course

- OR -

Persistent Dung Beetle


...The latter probably suits me better.

[Machine Concepts]

“
If firearms REALLY made us safer, we’d absolutely be the safest country in the world.

IF gun laws REALLY made us safer, Chicago would absolutely be the safest city in the world

[jigman51]

Saying a pen makes bad grades is the same as saying guns kill people. The tool has nothing to do with the person operating it. You wouldn’t give an infant a pen because it’s dangerous and they can’t do anything constructive with it. The same as you wouldn’t give a gun to someone that is mental unstable because it’s dangerous and they can’t do anything constructive with it. When did common sense leave everyone’s head?

Good analogy.

[rjvana]

May as well Take cars of the Hi way as they also cause death to. The only place there is no violence, is when you die other then that there will always be the idiot that wants to out do the other. J MHO.

[TampaJim]

May as well Take cars of the Hi way as they also cause death to. The only place there is no violence, is when you die other then that there will always be the idiot that wants to out do the other. J MHO.

And yet we have added seat belts, RADAR driven sensors for braking, air bags, etc.
Even have breathalyzers added to them for the previously convicted impaired drivers.
There’s multiple ways to interpret the 2nd Amendment. Current one isn’t working.

[JerryT]

IF gun laws REALLY made us safer, Chicago would absolutely be the safest city in the world

Guess that one won’t get a response

[USMC2112]

And yet we have added seat belts, RADAR driven sensors for braking, air bags, etc.
Even have breathalyzers added to them for the previously convicted impaired drivers.
There’s multiple ways to interpret the 2nd Amendment. Current one isn’t working.

You mean they just didn’t ban the cars and they came up with ways to better protect the owners?

[D.O.C. 989]

Where does this fear of losing our guns come from? We have a Potus who clearly supports the 2nd, the Senate clearly supports the 2nd, the House clearly supports the 2nd, and the NRA is watching and protecting the 2nd. Are we so scared that this single issue will be the downfall of all those in power. Do we think we are in the minority or believe that those in power will not withstand the scrutiny? Do we think the aforementioned will sell us out?