Its been a tough crappy(ie) start to the season this year...i usually start in November and go till January/February and can catch fish or at least bring some home to clean but this year has been tough and horrible.....my setup is 2 jig poles with 4 jigs tied to each and i troll around for them.....dont mess with shiners but there is a guy i know that keeps posting on FB and he's tearing them up....we fish the same lake/places, even fished by him a few weeks ago.....the difference, he's using shiners and i'm not....my next trip out i'll have a bucket full of shiners and i better catch them....