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    #21
    Quote Originally Posted by silverbullet02 View Post
    Have you done a link n synch to make sure everything is where its supposed to be before you start throwing parts at it?
    In all honesty I was under the impression that only carb'd motors required a link and synch....guess I will wait until manual gets here to see whats involved with the process.
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    #22
    That may very well be where the problem is. Absolutely necessary.


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    Motor: 2002 Mercury 175 EFI 2.5L
    Serial #: 0T566138


    Took me some time but I did perform a link and sync per the manual and I checked the fuel pressure with a gauge (these were done in my driveway last night, so I haven't had a chance to run engine in the water yet). One thing I noticed is that there is small puddle of fuel mixture at the bottom of the air handler, I looked inside with a flashlight while the fuel pump was running and did NOT see leaking fuel. I posted earlier in this thread that the injectors were sent off for service and reinstalled by Roy Roach (a member on this forum) and after I had the work done I don't remember having a warm start/ rich condition problem, I believe it slowly developed over time. In the past month I have rebuilt the pulse pump and checked all and replaced one temp sensor, however I am unable to check the MAP sensor. I did notice that occasionally the motor will want to bog when full throttle is applied to get on plane, I simply put it in neutral and throttle up again and it does fine, this may happen 5-10% of the time. Any ideas where to go from here?


    Fuel Pressure results:
    Idle 45 psi
    Acceleration ~41 psi
    Shutdown 41 psi
    15 sec 40 psi
    30 and 60 sec ~39 psi

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    #24
    Could I have worn reeds?
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    #25
    Possible... but reeds are seldom "intermittent" in nature.

    Need to check for VACUUM on the pressure regulator nipple (at idle)... suspect there is no vacuum present (hose disconnected or damaged, fitting at other end blocked/plugged, etc).


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    Quote Originally Posted by EuropeanAM View Post
    Possible... but reeds are seldom "intermittent" in nature.

    Need to check for VACUUM on the pressure regulator nipple (at idle)... suspect there is no vacuum present (hose disconnected or damaged, fitting at other end blocked/plugged, etc).
    Ok, I will look in the manual on how to do this. On a side note after the link and synch the warm start did get better, I can now start the motor 50% of the time when warm with one key turn. The rest of the time it takes mostly 2 sometimes 3 turns to fire up...used to be 3-5 turns of the key to start.
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    #27
    Quote Originally Posted by bnt55 View Post
    Ok, I will look in the manual on how to do this. On a side note after the link and synch the warm start did get better, I can now start the motor 50% of the time when warm with one key turn. The rest of the time it takes mostly 2 sometimes 3 turns to fire up...used to be 3-5 turns of the key to start.
    The Throttle position sensor (TPI) and temperature sensor located in the port side head make up a circuit providing feedback to the Injector ECU to enrich the fuel flow when the engine is cold . When once the engine is warmed up the temperature sensor resistance changes telling the
    ECU to lean out the fuel delivery at low throttle settings . My TPI setting is .250 volts with the temp sensor disconnected and throttle closed per the manual.
    The manual says to set TPI from .240 -.260 volts but from what I have read others say .200-.300 volts may be required to get better start when warm .
    The TPI adjustment only affects starting and low RPM operation and if I'm remembering this right the higher the TPI voltage setting the richer the fuel delivery a start/idle . I see now you have 2002 EFI . I think I saw the newer EFIs do something different for cold temp enrichment ?
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    #28
    According to the manual the TPS (throttle position sensor) is non-adjustable. At Idle the TPS should be .19-1.0 VDC and full throttle 3.45-4.63 VDC


    From manual....

    If the throttle position sensor is out of the intended operating range when the engine is
    started, the Electronic Control Module (ECM) will sense that the Throttle Position Sensor
    (TPS) has failed. The warning horn will sound, check engine light will illuminate, DDT will
    indicate failed TPS and the engine will go into RPM reduction. When the engine is started,
    the throttle arm on the engine must be against the throttle stop screw. Do not move throttle
    or fast idle control lever forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EuropeanAM View Post
    Possible... but reeds are seldom "intermittent" in nature.

    Need to check for VACUUM on the pressure regulator nipple (at idle)... suspect there is no vacuum present (hose disconnected or damaged, fitting at other end blocked/plugged, etc).
    Results from this?


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    Quote Originally Posted by EuropeanAM View Post
    Results from this?
    Not yet. Been sitting in a deer stand lately on the weekends.
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    #31
    Were you able to sort out your issue? Mine is doing the same thing.

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    #32
    Battery voltage during cranking will be about 10 volts depending where you check it, the higher the better, under 10 and things start to get tricky at 9.5 you have a real problem, follow the advice on posts,7,10,13,15,19 first esp. 15
    It is impossible to have 13 cranking volts with a fully charged battery that has 12.85 volts for AGM batteries with a 150 plus amp starter draw
    Thank You Leon Pugh

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    #33
    Quote Originally Posted by Pokesgrad View Post
    Were you able to sort out your issue? Mine is doing the same thing.
    Additionally, it would be best to open your own (separate) thread for your engine, and provide the required info. Reference Forum Announcements.

    Thanks!


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    Quote Originally Posted by EuropeanAM View Post
    Additionally, it would be best to open your own (separate) thread for your engine, and provide the required info. Reference Forum Announcements.

    Thanks!
    previous post had my issues summed up. Only difference is that mine is a ‘99

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    #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Pokesgrad View Post
    previous post had my issues summed up. Only difference is that mine is a ‘99
    Forum Announcements require a SEPARATE THREAD for SEPARATE ENGINES. Also requires your serial number in your thread.

    This helps to prevent confusion between engines, posters, and Thread Hi-Jacking.

    Thanks!


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