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    Sabre FTD and Yamaha 175 SHO with 24" SHO T2 prop performance

    When my boat was built and shipped (April 20th), it was shipped with a Mercury 24" Tempest Plus. I did not mess with the setup from the factory during break in because you can't run it wide open for any period of time until it has 10 hours on the engine. At the time, you could not find a SHO prop...period. Well, they became available a couple of weeks ago, so I ordered the 24" SHO VMAX T2 version. After I installed the prop, I was curious about the Pad to Prop height, so took some measurements. If I measured correctly, the PTP was 5.5", which is mighty low, even for the Tempest Plus that came on it. I am not 100% certain that measurement was correct, but I ended up jacking the plate up 2" just to get a starting point for setup. It's still not fully broken in, but I can run WOT for a short while.

    Took the boat to Lake Martin last week for a few days and fished/ran the boat for setup. No good place to measure PTP at the lake, but I had marked the jackplate before moving it, so had a point of reference, at least. Engine was too high. Got decent water pressure, but it was minimal at 12-14 psi, and the prop was blowing out coming out of the hole, and trim was very delicate for decent WP. So I dropped it a half inch at a time (twice) until it quit blowing out on hole shot, and water pressure was good, regardless. I ended up with the plate 1 inch higher than it came from the factory.

    Mine is a dual console, and has a Fortrex 80 on the front end, a dozen rods, 7 3720 Plano boxes in a Plano tackle bag which fits just right into the rear front deck compartment. So, there's some weight up front. My other tackle...plastics, weights, etc is behind the passenger seat...3 bags full and three small Plano boxes for the hooks, weights, etc. I had a full tank (33 gal), and filled the livewells up. Just me in the boat and I weigh about 185, depending on the day.

    I had some concerns about the SHO prop not being vented and the 175, being an inline 4 cylinder, developing enough tq to come out of the hole well. Well, those concerns were not a factor at all. The boat comes out of the hole in 2-3 seconds, no blow out. The engine even sounds throatier with the SHO prop. I have not fully learned to drive the boat yet, but I did manage to get it up to 68mph and 5800 rpm before the chine walking would make me trim back down. There is no doubt there is more there once I get some more time in the seat. The ambient temps were high 80's to low 90's, with a LOT of humidity. So in the cooler weather, she should run even faster. The boat will stay on plane at about 20 mph with this prop. At approximately 45 mph and 4200 rpm, it's like the whole rig shifts into another gear and suddenly jumps up to 55mph and 4600 rpm, + or -. The entire boat lifts, the bow comes up, and she literally seems to be flying on packed air under the hull. From there it just gets faster, with WOT and bumping the trim a little at a time until she starts chine walking at about 63 mph. I can handle it up to 66-68, but by then it's totally on the pad, and I have not yet learned to catch the walk in time.

    Bottom Line: I'm very impressed with the SHO prop. The lift is fantastic once you get to that "magic" spot. The boat will turn on a dime, even at speed...so much so that you have to be careful not to turn it too much or you'll be pinned to the side on a left hand u-turn. WP stays up with just a bump of down trim in a turn. As I gain experience, I may tinker a bit more with the engine height, but feel that it's pretty close as is. With just me and the listed load, I feel sure it will easily be a 70+ mph boat, especially in cool weather. The 175 SHO makes plenty of TQ down low with the variable timing, so no worries there, and gets very good fuel mileage at a good cruising speed of 45-50.

    The Sabre is like driving a sports car...very responsive. It handles heavy chop like it's not there, and boat wakes are a non issue at the right trim level. It's like the ride in a "Touring Suspension" car instead of a 68 Buick. No kidney jarring hull slams, even if you take the wave a little too fast. For an 18'1" boat, I don't think you can beat it for performance and fishing in a more manageable size/price point. Can you put a dozen rods on deck all at the same time? No, but it's not a problem having 6 on the port side, and I can put a couple more on the starboard size if I want to. If you use rod socks, the rod storage is not an issue, and almost all my rods are at least 6'9" with one going to 7'10"...just put the longest to the inside.

    Sorry for being long winded...
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    Thanks, you answered a lot of questions.

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    Great information!! Thanks for the write up!
    I have a ProXs 175. Always wondered about the SHO.
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    For your info: You may want to try lowering the engine another 1/4-1/2 inch.
    I believe you will get a little more lift at lower speeds and give better handling at higher speeds.
    It sounds like your high because of the way the boat is responding at the 42 mph mark.
    My Jag would do the exact same thing. At about 48 mph it would just lift. It was incredible to feel it happen.
    What I found was that there wasn't much lift at lower speeds.
    I lowered it almost a half an inch and my low speed lift and handling really picked up.
    You may not have this issue, but wanted to put the info out there to you.
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    You may have something there, Cajunhunter. I was over at the place I store the boat today and measured how high the plate was from it's original factory height. It's 1.5". Unfortunately, the Alabama River is up big time right now due to all the rain and Cindy coming through. So the launch area is too high to even get your vehicle down there, and the river is FLOWING. That generally means that any trees, limbs, etc that were on the bank upstream turn loose and end up in the middle of the river. It's like playing dodge ball running the river under those conditions. So I'll have to wait a few days to get the boat back out again, or travel a bit up to Mitchell or Lay
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    FYI...Cajun...I measured the prop to pad again and think I got an accurate measurement this time. It was sitting on 3", so I lowered it to 3.5, which is still a full inch higher than where it was set at the factory with the 24 Tempest Plus. The weather is brutally hot right now, and the river is just beginning to get decent, so I'm going to test it a bit more Sunday, if possible. I've got a pretty good idea that the boat will have more bow lift at lower speeds now, but will likely tweak it up or down 1/4 at a time if I can get some relatively constant conditions. 95 degrees with 80% humugity is miserable for both me and the engine.
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    Congratulations on that beautiful Cat. I have a question for you. I live in Indiana and our reservoirs have a lot of idle zone. I currently have an old 20' Champ with a 225 Merc EFI which isn't great on a long hard idle. That Sabre with the 175 SHO looks like just what I want. I know you haven't had it a long time but can you tell me how that engine performs on a long hard idle. I am talking 15 to 30 minutes at under 10 mph. Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoos202 View Post
    Congratulations on that beautiful Cat. I have a question for you. I live in Indiana and our reservoirs have a lot of idle zone. I currently have an old 20' Champ with a 225 Merc EFI which isn't great on a long hard idle. That Sabre with the 175 SHO looks like just what I want. I know you haven't had it a long time but can you tell me how that engine performs on a long hard idle. I am talking 15 to 30 minutes at under 10 mph. Thank you.
    Thus far it's as smooth as silk, and quiet. My idle time has been up to 20 minutes or so while playing with the graphs. 4 strokes are more suited to idling than 2 strokes.
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    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hoos202 View Post
    Congratulations on that beautiful Cat. I have a question for you. I live in Indiana and our reservoirs have a lot of idle zone. I currently have an old 20' Champ with a 225 Merc EFI which isn't great on a long hard idle. That Sabre with the 175 SHO looks like just what I want. I know you haven't had it a long time but can you tell me how that engine performs on a long hard idle. I am talking 15 to 30 minutes at under 10 mph. Thank you.
    Offshore guys troll all day long with Yamaha 4 strokes. Idling for 30 minutes is not even remotely an issue.