razor 4 or razor 4XL???

[21XDC]

I call BS... I only saw 89 when I drove it 3 passes...

[hooken203]

When you run these full over hub exhaust props like the the P4 how does it come out of the hole. I have never ran a prop like that. Can you just punch it and off you go or do you have to get out of it to get the prop hooked back up? How about the Razor XL does it blow out on break over like a pro max?

[mittenbass]

The P3 does not come out of the hole well. Lots of bow rise and you have to feather it until the boat breaks over. You can just punch it with the P4 and the holeshot is much better. It will spin up to 5k but it doesn't lose bite like a promax. The Razor XL comes out of the hole like a bravo, which is to say excellent with no loss of bite at all. Just pedal it and go.

Just take note that I have a 2+2 so I sit 3ft further forward than in the 2 seater. I would think the weight forward would help holeshot with my overhub props. They might not be a good choice for the 2 seaters

[AllyFishing]

The performer bc4 sounds interesting as does the razor 4 xl. I like my XOB cuz I hit and it takes right off no slipping no bogging and it has low slip numbers

[hooken203]

Like I said right now I dont have a prop. I did order a Hydromotive XOB thats going to be a prop that I use when I know that will not have to deal with any shallow water. My Sunday go to church prop so to speak. I now need to buy a prop that is more durable. It has to have a good hole shot and none of that high reving out of the hole. Sounds like a Razor XL might get that done. Thing is I know a Bravo FS will give me the holeshot like I want but its high slip numbers are not exceptable. Yeah I want the best of both worlds.

[AllyFishing]

You're not asking too much. A prop should do all that.

[mittenbass]

I'm not sure why people put so much emphasis on prop slip. Low slip theoretically means more efficiency and speed, but that's not always the case in the real world. My P3 shows high slip numbers, but it's also the 2nd fastest prop I have ever run. The problem is that prop slip is heavily dependent on the pitch number stamped on the side of the prop and the actual pitch can be quite a bit different from that number. If efficiency is what you're after, I'm still not sure prop slip is the best thing to look at. If I wanted good mpg I would just slap a tall prop on the boat so I could cruise at the same speed at lower rpms. Jmho

[hooken203]

Well when the boat only runs low to mid 80s and that slip number is 16 percent you tend to take it into consideration. I do understand what your saying and if my boat was running in the 90s then I might not know what the numbers are.

[AllyFishing]

Brad, what Kevin and I are saying is that we each have a prop right now that should be running a lot faster and /or is on or near the limiter and not nearly getting the speed out of it that we should and the slip numbers are too high. I would accept higher than normal slip if I felt that the prop/pitch were dong what I was asking of it. My 25P TXP OT4 (worked) had higher slip numbers than a 28P Hydro Quad IV-OT on my 2+2/225 ProMax and they ran within 3/10th of a MPH of each other. I'll accept that

[mittenbass]

No I get it, I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings. What I am saying is that you might think your slip numbers are high because, for example, you are assuming that your 28p Bravo is spot on in pitch, when it might really be closer to a 27p. If a prop shop hasn't looked at it and verified the pitch, you don't really know if the prop is slipping a lot as opposed to being off in pitch. Getting the prop worked can cure both issues.

[21XDC]

Brad is spot on...

[AllyFishing]

Yup if that were the case you are absolutely correct. But what I failed to mention before is that the Bravo has been worked from new before I even ran it. Now that's not to say anything bad about the work done or by whom. It's back in the hands of the builder and I'm more than confident it will be better. I'm looking for other options as well because I had not done any prop testing since I owned the 225 Promax. This 300XS/1.62's is a different animal than my 250XS/1.75's so I figured I would explore some other options.

[hooken203]

Yep I heard all that from Mercury the other day. I thought it was interesting the guys that make them admit that they are not marked correctly. And sure enough when you enter 28 in the calculator instead of 29 you come up with lower slip numbers. Who knew? The fact still remains the 29.5 shows 16 percent and that sucks and if you drop it to 28 its 13 and it still sucks. So I have to spend 650 for the prop and 200 to work it. Maybe that 800 dollar Hydromotive aint all that bad. But you cant buy a 28 29 or 30 from them right now.

[21XDC]

Stop worrying about slip % and just run props that perform the best for your rig.... Who cares if your best prop runs 30% slip? That is just a number.

[hooken203]

So is 80 when it should run 90. Its only numbers.

[21XDC]

You cant read?

Stop worrying about slip % and just run props that perform the best for your rig.... Who cares if your best prop runs 30% slip? That is just a number.

[hooken203]

What I want to know if I run a Razor 4XL is it going to spin up like most O/T hub props? I have heard that they turn hard as in a 28 on a 21 Bullet 250 will only turn 5500. Yeah I can read fine.

[AllyFishing]

MIke, what he's trying to say is he's been struggling trying to find that one prop that performs as expected and content with at this point regardless of the slip numbers!! I agree with hooken, slip numbers would not even be calculated if the prop/combo performed to ones satisfaction. Especially when you hear of others with identical rigs (obviously driver and load need to be taken into consideration) running extremely high speeds and your not even in the same league as them with similar props.

[AllyFishing]

Mike, compare the razor 4 and the razor 4XL to a Bravo for us please. characteristics and pitch for pitch

[AllyFishing]

Kevin, maybe call Mark Croxton and see what he can tell ya?