Like pheonixdrew I would love to see them do something similar to NY and have a closed season (catch and release only) during the spawn and open it up in May or June. Also maybe find a way to regulate the amount of tournaments that go out of certain areas.
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Just my opinion guys but maybe every Tournament Organization that is required to have a permit have an individual work directly with MDNR Bass Restoration and hold them to the fire on clarity with every aspect of what is implemented and the results of such moving forward. This is our Taxpayers money and they bear the burden of providing us with full clarity on this,monies spent,how they are spent and the results thereof. Will this be another waste of money we will see
Today, 08:10 AM
In case you missed it they changed again
Joe love was on Ike Live last night and was very confusing he said he wasn't after tournament anglers but they were the only people he could impose rules on without going through a year long regulation process?? He also said that the changing river, storms, and pollution were key factors in the decline of fishing but again nothing he can do about that except go after tournaments. Then he added that the bucket brigade guys were a very small group that again he couldn't do anything about without the year long regulatory issue.
At one point he was just short of blaming the tournament anglers for causing the Large mouth bass virus in the upper bay but backed off when Pete asked if he was blaming the tournaments for that. I say take the year and figure it out and get it right
1. slot limit year round of 1 fish over 15" even during the spawn for everyone who keeps fish.
2. waivers for tournaments to allow a 3 fish over 15" limit from April 1st through June 16th then 5 over 15" the rest of the year
3. all tournament participants must release the fish after weigh-in a reasonable distance away from the weigh-in site. (distance to be determined) this is in place of a release boat.
4. large limits over 10 lbs shall be split up into 2 bags during transport to and from the weigh-in
5. all tournaments must impose a increasing penalty for dead fish. Example 1 dead fish .5lbs 2 dead fish..1lb ..3 dead fish =DQ ANYONE CAUGHT CULLING DEAD FISH WILL BE REPORTED TO THE DNR FOR LOSE OF FISHING LICINSE FOR 1 YEAR AND POSSIBLE FINE.
I think this may be something that could work some of it is harsh and can be tweaked .Any other ideas please help out so we can continue to do what we love ...Fish and take care of our catches
Here are the revised DNR tournament conditions for black bass tournaments in Maryland:
Largemouth Bass Management Action
The Department has received a considerable amount of valuable input (verbally and in writing) from our constituents over the last week regarding the black bass tournament memorandum dated March 15, 2016. The Department is responsible for the health of the black bass resource, and the Department has determined that immediate conservation action is necessary. After careful consideration, the Department is modifying the fishable slot tournament permit condition for tournaments scheduled on the Potomac River and Upper Chesapeake Bay from June 16 through October 31. Below is a summary of the modified approach that provides tournament directors two options when applying for a permit, both of which help reduce fishing mortality. This is a needed step that should hasten the recovery of these stressed fisheries.
Tournament directors that have not received a permit for 2016 can choose between one of two options for a tournament permit where the tournament will be held in Maryland on Potomac River or Upper Chesapeake Bay from June 16 through October 31. Option 1 requires the tournament director/participants to adhere to the slot limit permit condition (i.e., possession limited to a 12 inch minimum size, 5 fish creel, with only one fish which may measure 15 inches or bigger). Option 2 requires adherence to special conditions that minimize fish stress, thereby reducing fishing mortality. Option 2 allows possession limits specific to statewide regulations during this time period. Details are provided below:
Option 1: the following language is added to the director's permit: For tournaments held from June 16 to October 31 at Maryland weigh-in locations on the Potomac River or Upper Chesapeake Bay (Susquehanna, Northeast, Elk, Susquehanna flats), participating anglers are limited to a 12 inch minimum size and a possession limit of 5 bass (largemouth and smallmouth combined), only one of which may be 15 inches or greater (per angler, per day). Therefore, an angler can weigh-in 5 fish over 12" but only one of these fish may be 15"and bigger.
OR
Option 2: the following language is added to the director's permit: All rules and conditions within the Special Conditions for Black Bass Tournaments must be followed and among these are: a) Allows anglers to participate within existing possession regulations (5 fish creel, 12 inch minimum size, no maximum) for tournaments held from June 16 to October 31; b) Requires directors to recover exhausted bass following a tournament and redistribute them to approved locations; c) Requires all anglers to possess a free participant permit; d) Requires other actions to improve survival of large bass.
Tournament Permit Requirements
The permittee is required to: 1) ensure that supplies and equipment for tournament are in good working order; 2) ensure that bags used to transport bass do not leak; 3) ensure that largemouth bass are maintained in well-oxygenated conditions; 4) ensure that bass are covered by water when transported by bag: 5) ensure that bass are not held in a bag with water for longer than 5 minutes without a water exchange; 6) ensure the legal disposal of dead black bass; and 7) ensure that results are reported by the date specified on this permit.
Based on this post under Option 2 section 'c' "Requires all anglers to possess a free participant permit".....
What is a free participant permit, why do the anglers need this and where do we acquire these? Does anybody know?
"free participant permit" bull shit......just like the 1st permit that came out, and look where it got us. This is what they did. They went after the permit, not changing the law. Easier and quicker to change or amend an existing law or permit than have a new law put in place. I told everyone not to volunteer for those permits when they first came out, and because of those permits this is what we get. If there was no permit than Love and his cronies would not have been able to do this, they would have to have gone through a much bigger process. The whole thing has got me pissed off and just overly frustrated. Will never trust DNR and Joe Love again.
Why are they making this such a confusing mess? Why not "ask" tournament directors to voluntarily reduce the catch this year and go through the proper processes to amend the laws for next year. Most, that is most guys fishing tournaments don't want the fishery to be destroyed and I bet doing a voluntary reduced limit of say 3 fish would probably be adopted by a lot, not all, of them. And so be it. But, not to get into politics, it seams just like our beloved president, they want to legislate around existing laws to limit us. (I guess I answered my own question.)
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I just got this from joe today it gives us some wiggle room on the release boat I still don't know what away from the dock means and am waiting to hear
There are a couple of noteworthy Special Conditions that I would like to elaborate. One condition requires anglers to use non-piercing culling devices. There are several inexpensive tools on the market that are non-piercing. Please let me know if you need some suggestions. Secondly, after bass are weighed in at a tournament, they should be allowed to recover in well-oxygenated, recovery environments before being released to an approved location. This does NOT require tournaments to use a release boat. Here are some options, but many others likely exist:
Directors may buy or borrow (from MD DNR) 100 g cattle tanks pumped with quality water. The cattle tank may be fit into the bed of a pick up truck or trailer for redistribution, or anglers may help redistribute bass in their boats.
Directors may have anglers quickly weigh bass and return to boat live wells where the fish can recover before being released to an approved area away from the dock.
Directors may ask MD DNR for assistance using their transport vehicles (see policy: http://dnr2.maryland.gov/fisheries/Documents/Policy_On_Redistribution.pdf)
Directors may use a release boat.
We are worried about piercing cull tags? Really? Last I checked the fish is caught with a hook that pierces its mouth.. Whats next, barbless or even hookless lures? Why don't they just skip this BS and just close it down already? It's obvious they don't care about the anglers or money generated for the local areas.
Originally Posted by PhoenixDrew
these are some ideas I had
1. Slot limit year round of 1 fish over 15" even during the spawn for EVERYONE who keeps fish.
2. Waivers for tournaments to allow a 3 fish over 15" limit from April 1st through June 16th, then 5 fish over 15" the rest of the year.
3. All tournament participants must release the fish after weigh-in a reasonable distance (distance to be determined) away from the weigh-in site. This is in place of a release boat.
4. Large limits over 10 lbs shall be split up into 2 bags during transport to and from the weigh-in.
5. All tournaments must impose an increasing penalty for dead fish. Example: 1 dead fish .5lbs penalty; 2 dead fish 1lb penalty; 3 dead fish = DQ. ANYONE CAUGHT CULLING DEAD FISH WILL BE REPORTED TO THE DNR FOR LOSS OF FISHING LICENSE FOR 1 YEAR AND POSSIBLE FINE.
6. On extremely hot days with water temps over ?, the tournament hours will be cut to help lower the stress on fish (shorter live well time reduces stress on the fish). Perhaps a noon weigh-in instead of after 2pm weigh-in.
The piercing rule should be refereed to as the Penrod rule. He has lobbied for years about the holes in the fishes mouth cause by the piercing type. They might as well rename DNR to the Penrod get his way rules division.
Thanks Ken
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we , us , you and all fishermen instituted the practice of catch and release and we instilled this practice in our kids , friends , our enemy's and in our self's since the day i caught my first bass. and now someone wants to take away we we created . what we created is all of those that we catch year after year. Hello we created catch and release. well you hit the right button this time. no longer will i practice catch & release. me and my family and friends will now practice catch and filet. so every bass i catch during practice days you will find on my grill in the parking lot the night before the tournament.
BTW Im not kidding. its my right. so take that MarylandBack to top
Last edited by stillwater; 04-01-2016 at 09:04 PM.
K. P. is a bitter old man. Who needs to retire from fishing... Seriously the Dumbest DNR regs. in the nation. Yeah blame tournament fisherman...that's the answer. SMH... While the Potomac and places like Middle River have polution crap running into them yearly... But heads are turned...
holy smokes.....what a mess this has all become. so....anyone confused yet?
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I have been emailing joe love and as far as Anchor he said that we can weigh the fish then return them to the live well to recoup then release them out past the no wake zone and this will be okay for option 2 I'm sure that this will be allowed at other locations also it will make it tough at the ramp but what you gonna do
You really think the fish will recover in a live well versus in a lake? I guess we'd need to keep all boats in the water for weigh in to give fish fresh oxygen. Then scramble back out to release them where?
What a mess.
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the drn is saying to return the fish to the live well to recoup (pumps running thus adding fresh oxygen ) then release them out past the no wake zone in the northeast or you could buy a 75k release boat or pay a couple hundred dollars to have the dnr on site with a release truck. it will be a mess at the ramp i'm sure but they are working with you
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