Handgun optics

[BP in ME]

I'm looking at putting a red dot on a handgun and I hear reviewers talking about it being a pain to re-zero anytime you take the optic off to change batteries or whatever. My question is, how far is it generally off when you put it back on? I mean, they usually mount on a flat plate with screws and pins bringing it back pretty darn close to where it was, right? I can see some slop being possible if there's some adapter involved but otherwise I wouldn't think the pins and screws would give you much leeway to mess it up. Please set me straight

[Big Al]

BP, did you see this yet? AL

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[crank68]

Most quality red dots are not hard to zero out of the box or change batteries and get it back on track….. I would not worry about that. Buy good quality optic and do not skimp and you will be fine. Over the past few years I have gone strictly to red dots for all of the house, vehicle and conceal carry guns. I do not want any gun that I defend myself with or competition pistol without a dot. I started with HOLOSUN so I am partial to that brand. It is not the most expensive or cheapest however, it has proven to be very accurate and very tough. If you are looking for a dot for a carry gun, I would look at the EPS Carrry by HOLOSUN for a Glock 43X sized gun. I also carry a CZ P07 and. CZ P10C with a HOLOSUN 507C.

[1Holeshot]

If you wanted to hold cost down Swamp Fox has a decent unit.

I have one on my Hellcat OSP.

On my Walther I have a Leupold but it cost much more than the Swamp Fox.

[BP in ME]

Most quality red dots are not hard to zero out of the box or change batteries and get it back on track….. I would not worry about that. Buy good quality optic and do not skimp and you will be fine. Over the past few years I have gone strictly to red dots for all of the house, vehicle and conceal carry guns. I do not want any gun that I defend myself with or competition pistol without a dot. I started with HOLOSUN so I am partial to that brand. It is not the most expensive or cheapest however, it has proven to be very accurate and very tough. If you are looking for a dot for a carry gun, I would look at the EPS Carrry by HOLOSUN for a Glock 43X sized gun. I also carry a CZ P07 and. CZ P10C with a HOLOSUN 507C.

I'm just curious how far off you'd expect to see your zero after removing and replacing. These aren't super precise weapons to begin with. I'm guessing the reviewers are speaking for the majority of gun owners who have to make a trip to the range to zero or practice. Out here in the sticks, we shoot off the back deck.

Yup, I'm looking hard at the EPS carry for a Sig XMacro. Ruled out the Crimson Trace RAD and I think I prefer Holosun over comparable Sigs. Plus it has a battery tray so you don't even have to take it off. The one thing I've read about Holosun on this gun at least, you have to use the adapter plate because otherwise the screws are too long? Is this true?

I haven't looked at Swamp Fox yet 1Holeshot. Thanks for the recommendation

[Transom]

I tried using them and IMO this is the stupidest trend I have seen in the shooting sports. For a CC sidearm I want compactness, light weight, and simplicity. I tried one out and although I shoot slightly more precisely with it it slows me down bigtime. I ended up putting it on a large handgun that I open carry if I am going into the woods without a rifle or large revolver.

Batteries last a long time these days. Rezeroing every few years should not be an issue.

[adchunts]

The Holosun I have on my Sig 10mm does not require removing the optic to replace the battery. There are quite a few out there that don’t.

[crank68]

I tried using them and IMO this is the stupidest trend I have seen in the shooting sports. For a CC sidearm I want compactness, light weight, and simplicity. I tried one out and although I shoot slightly more precisely with it it slows me down bigtime. I ended up putting it on a large handgun that I open carry if I am going into the woods without a rifle or large revolver.

Batteries last a long time these days. Rezeroing every few years should not be an issue.

This is the exact thing I said a few years ago “it slows me down”. I actually said “I’ll never buy another one” after putting my time in with a friend that’s a competitive shooter….like I previous stated I’ll never go back. Target acquisition, double taps, moving to shoot, split times, etc. I’m faster no doubt.

[BP in ME]

I tried using them and IMO this is the stupidest trend I have seen in the shooting sports. For a CC sidearm I want compactness, light weight, and simplicity. I tried one out and although I shoot slightly more precisely with it it slows me down bigtime. I ended up putting it on a large handgun that I open carry if I am going into the woods without a rifle or large revolver.

Batteries last a long time these days. Rezeroing every few years should not be an issue.

I hear where you're coming from. If this was going on the EDC I'd be spending a lot of time practicing the draw and target acquisition but the extra bulk would probably be enough to disqualify it. I have a sub-compact for that

[coreynov902]

I'm in the market for a red dot for my pistol and so I've been watching a fair amount of YouTube videos. According to multiple videos I have watched, guys that have grown up using iron sights initially struggle with a red dot sight and it does take a little while to adjust. But once you do, most guys wouldn't go back to using iron sights again. I'm looking at getting the Holosun 507C but I'm looking at the green dot instead of the red dot.

[BP in ME]

I'm in the market for a red dot for my pistol and so I've been watching a fair amount of YouTube videos. According to multiple videos I have watched, guys that have grown up using iron sights initially struggle with a red dot sight and it does take a little while to adjust. But once you do, most guys wouldn't go back to using iron sights again. I'm looking at getting the Holosun 507C but I'm looking at the green dot instead of the red dot.

Yup, it seems the dot is almost always high and out of sight at first. Big debate over whether green is scientifically superior or not. A lot of shooters are saying hogwash. One guy points out that using a green dot with a lot of green foliage around could make it more difficult to pick up. One known drawback is the green draws down the battery faster

[shafer22]

I can hit a 3 inch target at 25 yards much more often with my red dot. At 7 to 10 yards my accuracy is amost equal using irons or red dot. I do have trouble seeing my irons. They are a blurry or out of focus. I wish I could focus better with irons. My red dot battery doesnt require removing to change battery.

[BP in ME]

I can hit a 3 inch target at 25 yards much more often with my red dot. At 7 to 10 yards my accuracy is amost equal using irons or red dot. I do have trouble seeing my irons. They are a blurry or out of focus. I wish I could focus better with irons. My red dot battery doesnt require removing to change battery.

You never said what your optic is.

There's a guy on UTube that I like called Honest Outlaw. He burns lots of ammo and reviews gear. Precision shooting isn't his thing, it's more about speed and ringing the bell but in one of his vids he was using a red dot on 9mm or .45 to ding a target at 120 yds. Looked to be about the size of a 20# propane tank. If I could do that on a regular basis, I'd be happy. Not there yet. Don't even know if I have a gun that's accurate enough.

You should check out his lists on the worst handguns. Can't account for what he's feeding it but when he jams on the first or second shot, it should give you reason enough to consider spending more than $150 on a carry gun.

[Cestratton]

I've got a Trijicon RMR on a Glock 45. I haven't had to change the battery yet bet initial sighting in was very easy, it's not like you're trying to punch the same hole at 100 yards so shouldn't take much adjustment to get back on. Picture for attention.

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[BP in ME]

I've got a Trijicon RMR

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Triji is kind of the gold standard isn't it? That's probably a little out of my budget this time around. Leaning towards the Holosun EPS

[crank68]

Looks like an Apex trigger shoe..?

[Cestratton]

Looks like an Apex trigger shoe..?

Wilson Combat complete assembly.

[EJmagnum186-NH]

I put Holosun EPS carry enclosed emitters on both of my carry Sig 365's......I in red and 1 in green. I love them both and can't notice a difference between the colors. If you don't shoot red dots regularly, you will need to practice like your life depends upon it.....because it could. Once you get used to it, they are a wonderful addition and it will be hard to go back to iron sights.

[BP in ME]

I put Holosun EPS carry enclosed emitters on both of my carry Sig 365's......I in red and 1 in green. I love them both and can't notice a difference between the colors. If you don't shoot red dots regularly, you will need to practice like your life depends upon it.....because it could. Once you get used to it, they are a wonderful addition and it will be hard to go back to iron sights.

Don't say that. I'm not giving up my Cheetahs