Vehicle prices and union wages....sheezzzzz

[Manatee Mauler]

I’m guessing your job could be outsourced also?

What does that have to do with my 10 10 10 question and how much it will/would effect the price of a vehicle?

And would you really want someone out sourced to try and bring ya back from the dead????

[Manatee Mauler]

The cost of a rise in labor cost will no more effect the price of vehicles than a rise in corporate salary/bonuses/ or stock. The BILLIONS of dollars in profit are either going to executives, stock holders, or the people who deserve it... the employees

Executives/ stock holders are going to get there's regardless. The middle class / consumer will just pick up the difference. Ever seen the rich lose money...lol.

[brnzbaklvr]

Same for the union workers
no matter what they get the’ll bitch and moan about how bad they have it and deserve more

but but but None Ever Leave????

Have you ever heard of the E4 mafia.??? If not ask a military buddy. It's all over in all careers.....

[Manatee Mauler]

Certainly the bean counters pushing this know how many employees this will be slotted for and what effects it will have on cost of a new vehicle. I would think y'all have the numbers since the union heads think this is so doable.

[boneil]

It will be a good bit I suppose according to what my buddies said and experienced. Their dad's were specialist surgeons and they got hit really hard. They all said be ready. They are life long friends and we traveled to Europe numerous times together as kids. My dad is very guarded and won't say much but says I've taken care of it and have everything you need to do in the safe. I left instructions with your uncle (who was a VP for Prudential). So I can't tell ya nor would I.

I'm gonna assume that you mean an "estate tax" since there is no Federal inheritance tax. There is an inheritance tax in a couple states, Florida not being one of them. But lets go with estate tax. The estate is taxed only above $13 million. It seems odd to me that someone would be complaining about the cost of a happy meal and truck who is in your very well off financial situation.

I think you'll be okay to buy whatever truck and boat you want regardless of what some assembly line worker makes.

[yatesville88fan]

And as my dad said, all the fat on the bone that needs to be trimmed that cant creates cost for the consumer and inefficiency in production. It's just a fact.

There again as I said. The company signed the contract. If there is something in that contract that says a person can’t be fired. Then the company agreed to that contract. But I highly doubt a person couldn’t b fired for a good reason.

[Rangerman2006]

Executives/ stock holders are going to get there's regardless. The middle class / consumer will just pick up the difference. Ever seen the rich lose money...lol.

Exactly. And if they had it their way, they'd take it all and leave none for the employees... hence the reason for a union.

[castforcash]

I'm gonna assume that you mean an "estate tax" since there is no Federal inheritance tax. There is an inheritance tax in a couple states, Florida not being one of them. But lets go with estate tax. The estate is taxed only above $13 million. It seems odd to me that someone would be complaining about the cost of a happy meal and truck who is in your very well off financial situation.

I think you'll be okay to buy whatever truck and boat you want regardless of what some assembly line worker makes.

[Stratos81]

How come UAW pays the UAW employees more than they negotiated for their members? Why are UAW members mad about CEO income, but not UAW office workers salaries, like secretaries making $85-90k/yr - that UAW assembly workers fund? That alone makes me laugh at them… the UAW is a business in itself! Its a big joke, and the losers are the workers that think they are skilled workers that deserve skilled worker pay based on what a UAW person told the sheeple that want to be sheepled.

I was at one of my hunting leases today I share with a 25yr tenured commercial HVAC foreman that is union. He installs chillers etc etc on high rises in Philly. I asked his opinion, and he giggled that those guys think their base pay should be more than his our master electricians in either Philly or DC - its true, they are whacked out of their minds!

[ProVle]

I remember the "Union" shop foreman's that spent the day at "their" table in the Chevy bar across the street from the Fisher body plant in Hamilton Ohio.

[ttranger]

I think we all agree that vehicles are overpriced today, but there isn't much the consumer can do other than not buying the more expensive models. Most manufacturers can only charge what people are willing to pay for something. Hell, if Senko's go up to $10 per bag there are still plenty of those who will pay it. I've never worked for a union, and although I think they do more to help the slackers than the really productive workers they bargain for everyone. Yes, the top CEO's are worth a lot of money, but a company that is doing well should be sharing more of those profits with the rank-and-file workers. I think the UAW's original demands were unreasonable, but they will get more money and a more equitable contract out of this. Life will go on for everyone. I think that us BBC members should avoid criticizing each other over how much people deserve to make, how much money we as individuals have, and other nonsense. We all have a different path in life, and I'm sure there are many on here that are far more successful than I have been. Having said that, I'm quite happy and I applaud all of their achievements. After all, we are supposed to be about fishing, and the fish don't care how much money you've got.

[Manatee Mauler]

[QUOTE=bilgerat;13168585]Guys getting millions of dollars playing with a ball is a bit out of sorts also. The hate for union blue collar while wearing a sports jersey with another guys name on it is out of sorts.


I agree completely but you can blame that on the players union as well. Thanks for proving my point.

[Rangerman2006]

How come UAW pays the UAW employees more than they negotiated for their members? Why are UAW members mad about CEO income, but not UAW office workers salaries, like secretaries making $85-90k/yr - that UAW assembly workers fund? That alone makes me laugh at them… the UAW is a business in itself! Its a big joke, and the losers are the workers that think they are skilled workers that deserve skilled worker pay based on what a UAW person told the sheeple that want to be sheepled.

I was at one of my hunting leases today I share with a 25yr tenured commercial HVAC foreman that is union. He installs chillers etc etc on high rises in Philly. I asked his opinion, and he giggled that those guys think their base pay should be more than his our master electricians in either Philly or DC - its true, they are whacked out of their minds!

How are the workers the losers? If they are truly unskilled as you claim and had no union they'd be making minimum wage instead of the$100k a year that they make now?

[bilgerat]

In our shop, theft of ANY type, be it a physical object, time, abuse of expense account etc is instant termination and the union will ghost you. You will cease to exist. Like mentioned earlier in this thread, we skilled tradesmen police our own and we're 10X more unforgiving on slackers than any manager could ever be. Smart managers know the system works, don't interfere and let us take care of what we do best on our end.

[castforcash]

How come UAW pays the UAW employees more than they negotiated for their members? Why are UAW members mad about CEO income, but not UAW office workers salaries, like secretaries making $85-90k/yr - that UAW assembly workers fund? That alone makes me laugh at them… the UAW is a business in itself! Its a big joke, and the losers are the workers that think they are skilled workers that deserve skilled worker pay based on what a UAW person told the sheeple that want to be sheepled.

I was at one of my hunting leases today I share with a 25yr tenured commercial HVAC foreman that is union. He installs chillers etc etc on high rises in Philly. I asked his opinion, and he giggled that those guys think their base pay should be more than his our master electricians in either Philly or DC - its true, they are whacked out of their minds!

I call bullshit on your buddy. I have buddies in the industrial hvac business and their techs make way more than $32 an hour.....

[castforcash]

In our shop, theft of ANY type, be it a physical object, time, abuse of expense account etc is instant termination and the union will ghost you. You will cease to exist. Like mentioned earlier in this thread, we skilled tradesmen police our own and we're 10X more unforgiving on slackers than any manager could ever be. Smart managers know the system works, don't interfere and let us take care of what we do best on our end.

Spot on Bilge

[castforcash]

I think we all agree that vehicles are overpriced today, but there isn't much the consumer can do other than not buying the more expensive models. Most manufacturers can only charge what people are willing to pay for something. Hell, if Senko's go up to $10 per bag there are still plenty of those who will pay it. I've never worked for a union, and although I think they do more to help the slackers than the really productive workers they bargain for everyone. Yes, the top CEO's are worth a lot of money, but a company that is doing well should be sharing more of those profits with the rank-and-file workers. I think the UAW's original demands were unreasonable, but they will get more money and a more equitable contract out of this. Life will go on for everyone. I think that us BBC members should avoid criticizing each other over how much people deserve to make, how much money we as individuals have, and other nonsense. We all have a different path in life, and I'm sure there are many on here that are far more successful than I have been. Having said that, I'm quite happy and I applaud all of their achievements. After all, we are supposed to be about fishing, and the fish don't care how much money you've got.

Best post on this thread! Thanks for typing that out and saying it better than I could have

[Stratos81]

I call bullshit on your buddy. I have buddies in the industrial hvac business and their techs make way more than $32 an hour.....

$32.32 x’s 1.46… Uugghhh

[NW.Ind.Basser]

I call bullshit on your buddy. I have buddies in the industrial hvac business and their techs make way more than $32 an hour.....

Ya, but that doesn't get folks in a frenzy like some bs does. You are correct. Major cities pay is higher then UAW line workers.

[Stratos81]

How are the workers the losers? If they are truly unskilled as you claim and had no union they'd be making minimum wage instead of the$100k a year that they make now?

The UAW employees… as in the people who get a check from UAW, not the big 3… uugghh lmao