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    Quote Originally Posted by TampaJim View Post
    Run all night in your garage and still be running when you wake up. Any other questions?
    That's all you got?

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    Quote Originally Posted by juice780 View Post
    I’m sure that’s the horse and buggy crowd said back in the day too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boneil View Post
    https://consumer.healthday.com/publi...er-740344.html

    Many of those deaths are vehicle-related.

    How many?

    Since 2006, there have been 28 deaths and 71 injuries due to carbon monoxide from keyless vehicles in the United States, the organization said.
    From your article. Must be a huge number by vehicles that use keys.

    I bet most of those deaths you mentioned were home heating and cooling system failures. Furthermore, I would also imagine most people that die in their car in their garage do it intentionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skeeterator View Post
    That's all you got?
    Are you ready?

    EVs can give oil companies a reason to lower pricing, how's it working out for ICE owners?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TampaJim View Post
    Are you ready?

    EVs can give oil companies a reason to lower pricing, how's it working out for ICE owners?
    When will that start.. I'm getting old. I know something else than can do it much quicker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishnfireman View Post
    When will that start.. I'm getting old. I know something else than can do it much quicker.
    Me too ... less driving, higher efficiency ICE, hybrid and PHEV on the streets, etc.
    Drilling isn't going to work, plus it takes a long time to bring it to market anyway.

    If we extract/refine more, we will just piss off OPEC. And they'll flood the system.
    At that point, our producers get slammed ... again. Losing major investments.

    And, if you're not aware, US producers EXPORT over 8M barrels per day currently.
    The logic is pricing, worldwide commodity demand. We pay OR they pay, easy.

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    yes sir. we were exporting even more when the pump price at my house was 1.69

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishnfireman View Post
    yes sir. we were exporting even more when the pump price at my house was 1.69
    Domestic jobs, people lose them when petroleum prices are bottomed out.
    Domestic resources, conservation is key to our national security interests.
    Petroleum isn't going away. But we need to quit burning it in mass volume.

    We will NEVER control petroleum pricing from our angle, not a chance of it.
    Why? Because we're consuming too large a share, of worldwide production.
    OPEC has the upper hand, they own the levers to raise and lower pricing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TampaJim View Post

    And, if you're not aware, US producers EXPORT over 8M barrels per day currently.
    They exported virtually the same in 2019 when gas was 1.59-1.89 in a 3 state area l drove in.

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    They exported virtually the same in 2019 when gas was 1.59-1.89 in a 3 state area l drove in.
    Based on your statement ...

    US petroleum exports today are about $1.68B per day vs exports in 2019 at $588M per day.
    See any difference yet?? It's OUR workforce and resource. Our GDP, offsetting our imports.
    Taxes are collected on wages, profits, etc. It's added to the US Treasury to pay debts.

    The entire matter is complex.

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    Domestic jobs, people lose them when petroleum prices are bottomed out.
    Jobless rate of now vs when pump prices were 1.69 a short time ago don't show that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishnfireman View Post
    Jobless rate of now vs when pump prices were 1.69 a short time ago don't show that.
    Never mind ... have it your way. I've got zero skin in the game, none.
    We're comfortably retired. And I did it from the petroleum industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TampaJim View Post
    Never mind ... have it your way. I've got zero skin in the game, none.
    We're comfortably retired. And I did it from the petroleum industry.
    LOL

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    Did a double take this am seeing one. The front lights are really cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TampaJim View Post
    Never mind ... have it your way. I've got zero skin in the game, none.
    We're comfortably retired. And I did it from the petroleum industry.
    I'm real happy for you !!
    As for my self and a lot more retired folks whom " We're comfortably retired"
    These inflated fuel prices that keep driving the cost of EVERYTHING up..is going to force some to go back to work.. At least there's ample job openings now!

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    If it gets 500 miles before needed to be charged, it could be a game changer..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fishnfireman View Post
    I'm real happy for you !!
    As for my self and a lot more retired folks whom " We're comfortably retired"
    These inflated fuel prices that keep driving the cost of EVERYTHING up..is going to force some to go back to work.. At least there's ample job openings now!
    seems youre missing the point you are talking like you know something about the oil industry. what are your credentials from the oil industry. tampajim worked in it long enough to retire from it. im sure he would be willing to give you his tenure. but your mind is made up so may not do a lot of good

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    Aside from any capabilities or a lack thereof...

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    Who controls John Gill?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skeeterator View Post
    Seriously? Terrible comparison!! Think about for just one second, what can an ev do that my current ice vehicle can't?
    Seriously? Think about it for a second. When you had a horse and buggy, fuel was everywhere and you could go anywhere without fear of starving your method of transportation for fuel. A whole new business and infrastructure had to be built to support gas vehicles. Just like our infrastructure will have to change to accommodate electric vehicles. Working on a gas vehicle back then you had to be something special, whereas everyone knew how to take care of a horse or call a vet. Then you have to deal with explosive chemicals (gas/diesel) when making the switch from a horse to a car. Right now it is also cheaper to fuel an electric vehicle than it is to fuel a gasser. Speculate all you want, but today's facts are facts.

    The comparison is a solid comparison, whether you like to admit it or not. You have to consider what gassers were back then to, not compare cars of today to horses and buggies. A whole new infrastructure and industry had to be started to move from horses to cars, but now we will only need to beef up what we currently have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TampaJim View Post
    Based on your statement ...

    US petroleum exports today are about $1.68B per day vs exports in 2019 at $588M per day.
    See any difference yet?? It's OUR workforce and resource. Our GDP, offsetting our imports.
    Taxes are collected on wages, profits, etc. It's added to the US Treasury to pay debts.

    The entire matter is complex.
    And then it causes people to propose a gas tax holiday, which would add $10 billion straight to debt. High gas prices aren't a good thing for a nation that is virtually addicted to the stuff. It's also extremely regressive.

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