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    USA Just have to vent.

    Over 17 Years down and a little less than 3 years remaining.
    I have spent easily a 1/3 of the time away from home. From deployments, Drill Sergeant School and 3yrs on the trail, Master Gunner school and multiple other schools and training, to ungodly numbers of gunneries and field problems. I have been back overseas twice in the last 3 yrs and of course now extended once again due to the current conflict.
    I gotta ask how did some of you all keep your damn head up on the home stretch?

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    If you’re gonna be one be a Big Red One.
    I retired out of Ft Riley 21 years ago. Planned on staying a few more years but had just got back from my second tour in Bosnia and they were like, hey you’re going to Korea. Already had 3 overseas tours and 3 deployments. Dropped my retirement and walked away. My son was struggling in school and about to start high school. Didn’t want him going it alone. Best choice I made.

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    I would simply like to say thank you, thank you for who you are and all you have given. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving 17 plus 3 years of your life to protect and serve our country. I don't know you but I am damn proud to call you one of ours!

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    One day at a time. I know it is easier said than done, but it pays off in the end. I did not want to be retired on active duty (ROAD), I dropped my papers at 19 and left at 20 and 15 days. Uncle Sam offered me a NICE cushy assignment to stay, but I was ready to go.

    Take advantage of every transition class offered your last year. Larger installations have classes geared toward senior enlisted and officers. The time can be an issue if you are in a critical position. You will find a way. Here at Campbell you can get all your medical records and have a VSO sit down and do over all the VA benefits. You really need to take the time to make that happen! The transition is a LOT different today than it was for me 20 years ago. We had no VA brief, no Tri-Care brief, basically you took a physical and left the military. Thankfully those days are long gone.

    Maybe this will help? Go look at how much our civilian counterparts pay for insurance. I've paid about 600.00 a year with a 3,000 max out of pocket for the last 20 years. That benefit alone has been worth over 120,000.00 in premiums. That is being very conservative. When I turn 65 I will pay 170.00 a month for Part B. Tri-Care for Life will kick in saving me another 150'sh a month in Medicare Supplement premiums. Only about 18% make it 20 years.

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    I was in for 22 years before retiring instead of 20, because of stop loss. Of that I was separated from my family for 10 of those years. I relied on a strong family, strong faith, and prayer. 3 years is a long time if that's all you dwell on. Think of the last 17 and I'm sure you'll say to yourself that it went by "relatively" quick.
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    Home stretch went quick, trick is to not think about it.
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    Will be over before you know it. And things you think you will never miss you will.
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    For me it really took a long time from year 12 to 17 from 17 to 22 flew by. I too retired from Riley and I'm still in the area, On my way to Leavenworth for two weeks of work this morning, It will be over before you know it. Do everything Icecold said above. Retirement after the army is a great time.
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    I had just written out a long dissertation to help you out. Unfortunately, my computer decided to log me out and I lost it. Here's the short version. I work for USSOCOM's Warrior Care Program. I help SMs everyday transition. If you PM me I'll send you my email and phone number and we can set up a time to talk and I'll talk you through the issues, timelines, processes, VA Claims, SFL-TAP stuff, CIF, IDES, budgetary issues, pay issues, etc.
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    You want time to fly? When’s your next ORI (Operation Readiness Inspection)? Try to keep your head screwed on straight. You’ve made it this far & it’s above your pay grade to make common sense decisions. We took the oath too. And when that last physical for retirement happens, think long & hard what ailments occurred during your time. Don’t think for a minute that it’s over when you drive off base. You’ll dream about it. Keep one thing in mind … you did your job for your country. Be Proud … we are of you.

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    Tanker4lyfe,
    Because this is part of my “day job,” and something I’m very passionate about I decided to retype my earlier response. This is a long post…but well worth your time. Like I said in my earlier post, I work for USSOCOM’s Warrior Care Program, we have helped thousands of Soldiers over the last 8 years I’ve been with them transition off of AD either through a normal retirement, through IDES (Med Board), or just an ETS because it’s time for them to do something different with their life.

    First, and truly most importantly, thank you for stepping up and volunteering, not once, but multiple times over the years to get you to where you are today. 17 years is no small feat…making it to 20 or further is many times easier to plan for than to actually accomplish. You’re actually in the perfect position (time wise) to start planning your transition/retirement. We routinely tell SMs that you want to be start being very pro-active in the last 24-36 months of AD. Especially the last 12-18 months. What I’ll try and type out is just common-sense type stuff…but almost every single thing gets overlooked or under appreciated until the last minute when panic sets in. So let’s dive in and start with a calendar and begin some basic backwards planning:

    1. Pin the date of when you want to retire. For example, 1 Mar 2025 (little less than 3 years from now).
    2. Plug in when you want to start your transition leave, your PTDY, etc. i.e. 1 Jan 2025, start leave, PTDY, etc.
    3. Six months (no earlier than that) before your retirement date, get with a VSO on post and make your VA Claim. There’s a program called BDD (Benefits Delivery at Discharge) that allows the VA to start working your claim while you’re still on AD. You cannot submit it before the 180 day mark. Getting that done before you transition will greatly (GREATLY) affect when your VA Compensation begins. Currently the VA has about 600,000 cases backlogged (about 6 months). First priority goes to the Soldier getting out…but if they get the packet a month before you get out…you go to back of the line. If done properly, it’s not uncommon to have your VA pay start within 2 months of your retirement, for example 1 May 2025 (for the month of April). The VA (and DFAS) always pay on the first…for the month past).
    4. Twelve months earlier (1 Mar 2024) drop your retirement packet. If your S1 is squared away they have “shell packet” already done for your specific installation to help you out. If they do not, now’s a good time to recommend they do something like that to avoid packets getting kicked back at their level, the higher BDE, DIV, etc level and finally by your post’s Retirement Services section. Nothing sucks more than finally dropping your packet and starting your planning only to find out 6 or 8 weeks later your packet was screwed up and you have to resubmit…do you keep the original date? Make a new date? Does that throw off the kid’s school? The new job? The move across the country, etc.?
    5. 24-12 months earlier sign up for the SFL-TAP online stuff. It’s painful, but necessary. You don’t have to have an approved retirement date to get the process going. As soon as you can, coordinate to knock out the in-person portion on post. It’s a necessary evil, and there’s usually a chance to meet the folks you’ll need to coordinate with in the last 90-180 days, Finance, Personnel, VA, etc. Be nice to the gub’ment drones…they control how smooth and painless it is at the end when you’re trying to get your DD214, Leave approved, CIF appointments, Retirement ID cards, etc.
    6. Now until you retire, start making sure your medical records are accurate and all your bumps and bruises over the years are documented. We tell Soldiers to make a head to toe list of everything they think is service connected. Then compare that list to what’s in their Med Records. If something isn’t in there, make an appt with your PCM and get it annotated. It doesn’t have to be in there in chronological order…but it needs to be in there. Here’s an example we see all too often in my (previous) career field: Guy hurts his leg, ankle, knee, back, etc. on a jump. Takes motrin, ices, elevates, skips PT for a week or two, and let’s his Team Medic manage the injury….then goes back to work a few weeks later and gets on with his life. Fast forward about 10 years and he gets ready to retire and makes a claim for that injury…unfortunately it’s not in his medical records…so no service connection. That guy owns that injury for the rest of his life. Also, if you have off-post medical stuff, typically BH and ortho PT/OT…many times those records don’t get into your military records unless you get copies yourself and take them to get scanned in to AHLTA. Your PCM’s nurse, or possibly your unit’s Care Coordinator can do that for you many times.

    Now here’s some other “gems” that often get overlooked.
    1. You need to do a really good deep-dive on your budget. Take a hard look at what your income will be when you retire and how much you’ll need to cover the loss of the other 50% of your pay, pro-pays, housing, etc. Don’t count on your VA pay, until you start getting it. Everyone thinks they’ll automatically get 100%...many do not. Huge difference. Also is your retirement pay going to be taxed? Some states do…some do not.
    A. Tricare has been free…now you have to pay for it. Very affordable, but still it’s an added cost. There’s also Dental and Vision to consider.
    B. Life Insurance. SGLI has been an auto withdrawal since you were a private…you need to start looking at civilian insurance. If you have USAA, Progressive, State Farm, whatever for your home/auto…bundling is a thing. VGLI is very affordable…the first time…then the rates go up exponentially until you’re old and can’t afford the payments and can’t afford other insurance either. Start thinking about how much you really need and for what. When I retired I took out a 250k (30 yr Term) and 50k whole life policy. But the kids were almost out of the house and the house is almost paid off…so we didn’t need as much. It’s a very personal decision but you can’t make it without deep-diving the budget.
    2. Look at VA benefits for the state you plan on retiring in. Every state has bennies that often get overlooked. For example, lifetime fishing/hunting licenses, lowered tax rates on your house depending on your VA rating, reduced costs for license plates, free entry into parks, scholarships for spouses and children, etc.
    3. Start thinking about what you want to do/be when you grow up…do you need a civilian resume or a federal resume…big difference. If you’re thinking about a GS job, start learning the ins and outs of USAjobs.gov now.
    4. Survival Benefit Plan. Mandatory to either take it…or the wife has to formally deny it and sign paperwork. This is very much a decision based on many, many factors. Here’s two great examples:
    A. My boss, a retired E9, took the SBP option because his wife didn’t work and he knew she would need a monthly income or else she would have a great month of shopping, eating, buying a new car…then go hungry (I’m exaggerating…mostly).
    B. Me, also a retired E9, did not take it. My wife works, has her own retirement plan, 401K, BCBS insurance, etc. If I pass, she’s not destitute. So we took the amount we would have lost via SBP and put it towards a term and whole life policy. The problem with SBP is that if my wife would pass first…that money is just gone…the program is only for the spouse, it doesn’t transfer. If we both die at the same time (because she was driving)…again the money is just gone, it’s not like my children will see any benefit. With an insurance policy there’s a benefit for wife, then the kids. This worked for us…may not be the right fit for your family.

    Okay, I guess I’ve rambled on enough. Again, I’m willing to talk to you about any of this anytime. If you send me a PM, I’ll shoot you my number and email address.
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    Don't know if it can be done, but, this info would make a real good "sticky" post up at the top of the forum. Thank you sir for continuing to give support and information on the forum here - and to the vet's you serve "on the clock".

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    Happy to help.
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    OMG the last three years went fast, if you don't have a degree get one! 5 Years retired, but working!

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    7 years left for me, 31 down. My job will run you into a grave early if you let it. Just one day at a time. And don’t take it home with you. A couple new pair of boots and you'll be done.
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    That's what I tell my son, one day, one deployment, one assignment, one enlistment, etc. Cwilt...you'll have 38 yrs at retirement?...I'm assuming a Warrant Officer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stindoor View Post
    That's what I tell my son, one day, one deployment, one assignment, one enlistment, etc. Cwilt...you'll have 38 yrs at retirement?...I'm assuming a Warrant Officer?
    No, E7 in the AF Reserves. What I do as a civillian is the same as my military job including wearing the uniform everyday. I dont think I will pursue E8. But yes, if I can keep up with PT...I should make it to 38. Then I will be "aged out".
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    Excellent advice from "1stindoor"!
    My initial thoughts for you are 'start on the transition', you cannot do this too early. Start collecting ALL your medical data and getting anything and everything checked out, especially if you have any specific issues. Very important! In my opinion, if you can get "off base" specialists or Dr's it's much easier to get them to work with you in getting letters and "evidence" needed for your VA comp claim.
    Start working on what you will want to do after service. Check out companies or whatever and get in touch with them and get your so to speak foot in the door. Ramp those efforts up, if needed, around the 6 month out mark. Much more important if you have a family or very little savings. Also lol, start saving some money if you haven't done so already, a cushion will never hurt. I personally set aside some time/money to give myself a kind of "reward" for my retirement. Things like this can help with motivation. Save up as much leave as you can for the transition, if you're able to.
    Focus on the transition and try your best to enjoy the rest of your time in service. The "civilian world" is nothing like the military, in all forms. Enjoy and celebrate your retirement ceremony as well, you earned it!
    Thank you for your service!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omni View Post
    Start working on what you will want to do after service. Check out companies or whatever and get in touch with them and get your so to speak foot in the door. Ramp those efforts up, if needed, around the 6 month out mark.!
    Great advice here. Join your professional association, network, setup your LinkedIn page (with CIV picture). Beware of the “I got job for you when you get out” folks. PM me if you have any specific questions—I was going to retire in 2008, was asked to do a job that was interesting and fun (despite the hours and hard work), so had 3 years to prep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1stindoor View Post
    Tanker4lyfe,
    Because this is part of my “day job,” and something I’m very passionate about I decided to retype my earlier response. This is a long post…but well worth your time. Like I said in my earlier post, I work for USSOCOM’s Warrior Care Program, we have helped thousands of Soldiers over the last 8 years I’ve been with them transition off of AD either through a normal retirement, through IDES (Med Board), or just an ETS because it’s time for them to do something different with their life.

    First, and truly most importantly, thank you for stepping up and volunteering, not once, but multiple times over the years to get you to where you are today. 17 years is no small feat…making it to 20 or further is many times easier to plan for than to actually accomplish. You’re actually in the perfect position (time wise) to start planning your transition/retirement. We routinely tell SMs that you want to be start being very pro-active in the last 24-36 months of AD. Especially the last 12-18 months. What I’ll try and type out is just common-sense type stuff…but almost every single thing gets overlooked or under appreciated until the last minute when panic sets in. So let’s dive in and start with a calendar and begin some basic backwards planning:

    1. Pin the date of when you want to retire. For example, 1 Mar 2025 (little less than 3 years from now).
    2. Plug in when you want to start your transition leave, your PTDY, etc. i.e. 1 Jan 2025, start leave, PTDY, etc.
    3. Six months (no earlier than that) before your retirement date, get with a VSO on post and make your VA Claim. There’s a program called BDD (Benefits Delivery at Discharge) that allows the VA to start working your claim while you’re still on AD. You cannot submit it before the 180 day mark. Getting that done before you transition will greatly (GREATLY) affect when your VA Compensation begins. Currently the VA has about 600,000 cases backlogged (about 6 months). First priority goes to the Soldier getting out…but if they get the packet a month before you get out…you go to back of the line. If done properly, it’s not uncommon to have your VA pay start within 2 months of your retirement, for example 1 May 2025 (for the month of April). The VA (and DFAS) always pay on the first…for the month past).
    4. Twelve months earlier (1 Mar 2024) drop your retirement packet. If your S1 is squared away they have “shell packet” already done for your specific installation to help you out. If they do not, now’s a good time to recommend they do something like that to avoid packets getting kicked back at their level, the higher BDE, DIV, etc level and finally by your post’s Retirement Services section. Nothing sucks more than finally dropping your packet and starting your planning only to find out 6 or 8 weeks later your packet was screwed up and you have to resubmit…do you keep the original date? Make a new date? Does that throw off the kid’s school? The new job? The move across the country, etc.?
    5. 24-12 months earlier sign up for the SFL-TAP online stuff. It’s painful, but necessary. You don’t have to have an approved retirement date to get the process going. As soon as you can, coordinate to knock out the in-person portion on post. It’s a necessary evil, and there’s usually a chance to meet the folks you’ll need to coordinate with in the last 90-180 days, Finance, Personnel, VA, etc. Be nice to the gub’ment drones…they control how smooth and painless it is at the end when you’re trying to get your DD214, Leave approved, CIF appointments, Retirement ID cards, etc.
    6. Now until you retire, start making sure your medical records are accurate and all your bumps and bruises over the years are documented. We tell Soldiers to make a head to toe list of everything they think is service connected. Then compare that list to what’s in their Med Records. If something isn’t in there, make an appt with your PCM and get it annotated. It doesn’t have to be in there in chronological order…but it needs to be in there. Here’s an example we see all too often in my (previous) career field: Guy hurts his leg, ankle, knee, back, etc. on a jump. Takes motrin, ices, elevates, skips PT for a week or two, and let’s his Team Medic manage the injury….then goes back to work a few weeks later and gets on with his life. Fast forward about 10 years and he gets ready to retire and makes a claim for that injury…unfortunately it’s not in his medical records…so no service connection. That guy owns that injury for the rest of his life. Also, if you have off-post medical stuff, typically BH and ortho PT/OT…many times those records don’t get into your military records unless you get copies yourself and take them to get scanned in to AHLTA. Your PCM’s nurse, or possibly your unit’s Care Coordinator can do that for you many times.

    Now here’s some other “gems” that often get overlooked.
    1. You need to do a really good deep-dive on your budget. Take a hard look at what your income will be when you retire and how much you’ll need to cover the loss of the other 50% of your pay, pro-pays, housing, etc. Don’t count on your VA pay, until you start getting it. Everyone thinks they’ll automatically get 100%...many do not. Huge difference. Also is your retirement pay going to be taxed? Some states do…some do not.
    A. Tricare has been free…now you have to pay for it. Very affordable, but still it’s an added cost. There’s also Dental and Vision to consider.
    B. Life Insurance. SGLI has been an auto withdrawal since you were a private…you need to start looking at civilian insurance. If you have USAA, Progressive, State Farm, whatever for your home/auto…bundling is a thing. VGLI is very affordable…the first time…then the rates go up exponentially until you’re old and can’t afford the payments and can’t afford other insurance either. Start thinking about how much you really need and for what. When I retired I took out a 250k (30 yr Term) and 50k whole life policy. But the kids were almost out of the house and the house is almost paid off…so we didn’t need as much. It’s a very personal decision but you can’t make it without deep-diving the budget.
    2. Look at VA benefits for the state you plan on retiring in. Every state has bennies that often get overlooked. For example, lifetime fishing/hunting licenses, lowered tax rates on your house depending on your VA rating, reduced costs for license plates, free entry into parks, scholarships for spouses and children, etc.
    3. Start thinking about what you want to do/be when you grow up…do you need a civilian resume or a federal resume…big difference. If you’re thinking about a GS job, start learning the ins and outs of USAjobs.gov now.
    4. Survival Benefit Plan. Mandatory to either take it…or the wife has to formally deny it and sign paperwork. This is very much a decision based on many, many factors. Here’s two great examples:
    A. My boss, a retired E9, took the SBP option because his wife didn’t work and he knew she would need a monthly income or else she would have a great month of shopping, eating, buying a new car…then go hungry (I’m exaggerating…mostly).
    B. Me, also a retired E9, did not take it. My wife works, has her own retirement plan, 401K, BCBS insurance, etc. If I pass, she’s not destitute. So we took the amount we would have lost via SBP and put it towards a term and whole life policy. The problem with SBP is that if my wife would pass first…that money is just gone…the program is only for the spouse, it doesn’t transfer. If we both die at the same time (because she was driving)…again the money is just gone, it’s not like my children will see any benefit. With an insurance policy there’s a benefit for wife, then the kids. This worked for us…may not be the right fit for your family.

    Okay, I guess I’ve rambled on enough. Again, I’m willing to talk to you about any of this anytime. If you send me a PM, I’ll shoot you my number and email address.
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