Floating shipping containers

[Dylevan]

There are a lot of layers to the transportation onion. One of California's biggest problems is a law they passed that says anyone contracted by you is considered an employee. Most freight forwarders do not have their own equipment. They sub pick ups and deliveries out to small mom and pop carriers that may own and operate a couple of trucks. They can no longer sub this work out because now they would be considered employees and these small companies cannot afford the cost associated with more employees. Thus the driver shortage. It isn't actually a shortage of drivers, its that the companies that handle the distribution of the freight cant handle the distribution. I believe the law was put into effect to alleviate some sort of Lift or Uber issue. This is just one of the biggest issues of which there are a few.

[Whopperstopper]

Walmart, among others, is chartering ships to avoid the L.A. and Long Beach California delays.

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[Crestliner16]

There is a salvage company and I think it may own several auction companies that bid on unclaimed luggage and other things.

[Crestliner16]

Amazon is leasing cargo planes, along with many other companies. As far as California shipping laws go...well, they can just stick it where the sun doesn't shine! If it comes down to having the National Guard stepping in, that would be a Federal issue and in that case California would have to get over themselves.

[D.O.C. 989]

Amazon is leasing cargo planes, along with many other companies. As far as California shipping laws go...well, they can just stick it where the sun doesn't shine! If it comes down to having the National Guard stepping in, that would be a Federal issue and in that case California would have to get over themselves.

Can the Feds direct the NG for domestic purpose or is that solely the States decision?

[kry29]

Can the Feds direct the NG for domestic purpose or is that solely the States decision?

Haha, like they would want to do that.

[lucky13]

Yes I do realize that; but they are also just sitting out there with motors running to stay in place. Plus Florida has ports to handle the off loading of the cargo ships; they don’t just send only cruise ships from those ports. Why are they only backed up at the California coast ports and we have ports wanting ships to come in?

Did you see the the ship that dropped anchor on the pipeline?

[The Bass Junkie]

Yes I do realize that; but they are also just sitting out there with motors running to stay in place. Plus Florida has ports to handle the off loading of the cargo ships; they don’t just send only cruise ships from those ports. Why are they only backed up at the California coast ports and we have ports wanting ships to come in?

Direct question...how many of the ships waiting can fit through the Panama Canal. Next question What is the length, draft and width max for said ports. Many of the 100+ ships sitting off the coast cannot go through Panama...meaning a very long and hard trip with a lot of expense. Second...many can only fit in specific ports around the world due to their size.

[JTN]

There are a lot of layers to the transportation onion. One of California's biggest problems is a law they passed that says anyone contracted by you is considered an employee. Most freight forwarders do not have their own equipment. They sub pick ups and deliveries out to small mom and pop carriers that may own and operate a couple of trucks. They can no longer sub this work out because now they would be considered employees and these small companies cannot afford the cost associated with more employees. Thus the driver shortage. It isn't actually a shortage of drivers, its that the companies that handle the distribution of the freight cant handle the distribution. I believe the law was put into effect to alleviate some sort of Lift or Uber issue. This is just one of the biggest issues of which there are a few.

That and your truck has to be 20xx year new to meet Calfifornia's stringent emission laws...The guys I know that billy big rig won't go in to California...

[jigman51]

You do realize that ships sitting on the west coast would have to travel another 4400 miles to get to Florida.

How long would that take? Probably be to Florida and back to China by the time they get off loaded on the left coast.

[Quillback]

I lived in one for 9 months on two different occasions in Afghanistan. Pretty easy to turn one into a livable environment for one. That's why you see them being used for off grid homes a lot.

There's a house nearby that is made of several of them.

[dwmgg17]

Dang! That is a mess.

[CGWright]

Port of Miami sure does not seem busy. I am no expert but you can see what looks like empty doc/cranes (You can scroll back in time).

Question: How much ore does it cost to put one of those ships underway vs "idling" out there? I would think the engines must still run to "idle". Just wonder what the real increased cost would be.

Can you imagine the added cost if your employer told you to report to work in Michigan tomorrow? And you drive a 1 ton dually?

[BigFishSteve]

At least keep track of them and publish the info. Fish will hold on them pretty quickly.

[TroyBoy30]

go pick em up

[Squire]

There are a lot of layers to the transportation onion. One of California's biggest problems is a law they passed that says anyone contracted by you is considered an employee. Most freight forwarders do not have their own equipment. They sub pick ups and deliveries out to small mom and pop carriers that may own and operate a couple of trucks. They can no longer sub this work out because now they would be considered employees and these small companies cannot afford the cost associated with more employees. Thus the driver shortage. It isn't actually a shortage of drivers, its that the companies that handle the distribution of the freight cant handle the distribution. I believe the law was put into effect to alleviate some sort of Lift or Uber issue. This is just one of the biggest issues of which there are a few.

That said, there are plenty of Truck drivers. They wait for hours. They just won a 15m lawsuit due to the excessive waiting (get paid by the load). The problem is complex and it needs leadership at the top. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/as-su...125007621.html

[GRANDPAOF7]

Here is something you will not see on TV.....

Customer Advisory PSW "Emergency Fee" Surcharge

October 27, 2021 Dear Valued Customer, As terminal congestion at the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach reach historical levels, The Biden Administration announced on October 25th that effective the 1st of November 2021, the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach will begin charging an “emergency fee” on all long dwelling cargo. The fee will be applied to all containers that remain at the terminal for 9 days or more and rail containers for 3 days or more. The cost is $100 per container on the first day past the set dwelling limit for terminal or rail and will increase by $100 increments for each day that follows (i.e., $200 for day 2, $300 for day 3 and so on). As directed by the President’s Task Force and in concert with the directive, the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach will be responsible for collecting the fees, with the revenue set to be reinvested toward long term port efficiency and infrastructure programs that will help mitigate any future congestion challenges in the San Pedro Bay area. Given the 7-day notice period, much of how the cost will be charged and in turn collected is still to be determined. More will be shared in the coming days as we approach the 1st November start date. Naturally we understand this puts all parties involved in a rather difficult situation as truck, chassis and warehouse capacity are all extremely stretched. Rest assured, we are aggressively working on several solutions to help mitigate some of the impacts. We will continue to keep you informed on all developments over the coming days. Sincerely, Maersk

[Crappie Bob]

[BasserJim]

Here is something you will not see on TV.....

Customer Advisory PSW "Emergency Fee" Surcharge

October 27, 2021 Dear Valued Customer, As terminal congestion at the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach reach historical levels, The Biden Administration announced on October 25th that effective the 1st of November 2021, the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach will begin charging an “emergency fee” on all long dwelling cargo. The fee will be applied to all containers that remain at the terminal for 9 days or more and rail containers for 3 days or more. The cost is $100 per container on the first day past the set dwelling limit for terminal or rail and will increase by $100 increments for each day that follows (i.e., $200 for day 2, $300 for day 3 and so on). As directed by the President’s Task Force and in concert with the directive, the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach will be responsible for collecting the fees, with the revenue set to be reinvested toward long term port efficiency and infrastructure programs that will help mitigate any future congestion challenges in the San Pedro Bay area. Given the 7-day notice period, much of how the cost will be charged and in turn collected is still to be determined. More will be shared in the coming days as we approach the 1st November start date. Naturally we understand this puts all parties involved in a rather difficult situation as truck, chassis and warehouse capacity are all extremely stretched. Rest assured, we are aggressively working on several solutions to help mitigate some of the impacts. We will continue to keep you informed on all developments over the coming days. Sincerely, Maersk

Kind of makes sense though doesn't it?