You can still get the virus if you have had the shot, would you rather deal with the long term effects of the virus and the shot or just the virus?Originally Posted by HoustonG
You can still get the virus if you have had the shot, would you rather deal with the long term effects of the virus and the shot or just the virus?
Rayman,
I am sorry to have insulted you higher intelligence level, since I am just one of those gullible fools that may take true finding over internet hearsay. As I previously state, you can still get the virus after having had the vaccine with mild to no issues, yet it cannot be said the same especially with people that have other pre existing conditions.
Anyone that has any problems with the list that they give you prior to the vaccine are told that they need to receive it under medical supervision, and in case the news has not reached you out in Redhouse, WV, 1 of the side effect of people who were unfortunate of getting the severe effect of the virus is death, which to my limited knowledge is irreversible making kinda of a long term effect of the virus without the vaccine.
Now, I am sure you say that it is just the news blowing things out of proportion, but there is a lot of deaths certificates proving to the contrary. I have no issues with those that seem steadfast in going against the true finding and proven facts rejecting getting the vaccine, which gives us a small hope in improving the overall gene pool of the future.
Enjoy life and have your pets spayed or neutered to minimize overpopulation.
I don’t think anybody can find anything scriptural that would be against the vaccinations. The vaccinations by theirselves I don’t believe have any problems biblically. There is a but. Mandates and proof are pretty sobering. There is scripture on that. Is that where we’re headed? Don’t know but that’s where trust comes in. Me and the wife had covid in April. I feel like it’s bought us some time to make a more educated decision on whether to get the vaccine or not. I’m not at all anti vaccine. I’m sure this vax has saved lives. Here’s my problem with all of it. Too much silencing. Nobody can talk about where it come from, who caused it, does any other drug help, just keep your mouth shut and take the vax. Personally I believe if this all could have been handled much differently maybe everybody would have gotten it or very few would have. Me and the wife are on the fence and would love to see a honest debate on this issue but sadly I’ve about lost hope. I would love to go on but I know the rules. I’ll return to my silence.
You can die from the virus with or without the shot, people have also died or had serious health problems after taking the shot. No one who hasn't taken the shot has died or had health issues from it. To me the risk outweighs the reward.
Since we are all giving opinions I thought I would insert actual statistics as reported by the CDC and WHO. I just googled these stats so they are current.
As of a few days ago the U.S. has confirmed 42.7 million cases of covid-19 since the start of the pandemic.
The total death count stands at approx. 685,000
Studies are suggesting that 1 in 4 people who survived covid will have long lasting side effects regardless of case severity. That's over 10 million people right now with long haul syndrome.
As of Sept. 20th, 386 million doses of vaccine have been administered.
7,899 deaths among the vaccinated have been reported to the FDA. It is suspected the vast majority are unrelated to the vaccine but they had to be reported regardless per FDA requirements. For sake of discussion we'll use the full number.
The following stats on total cases, hospitalizations, and deaths are from April 4th through August 17th of this year.
Among the unvaccinated: 569,142 cases, 34,972 hospitalizations, 6,132 deaths
Among the vaccinated: 46,312 cases, 2,976 hospitalizations, 616 deaths
Before I took the vaccine, I let the results of my research make the decision. I don't know how anyone reads those numbers and concludes that the vaccine is either dangerous or ineffective compared to the virus itself. those stats show conclusively that the vaccines reduce cases, severity, and deaths.
What I see are people who decided ahead of time to be against the vaccine and now they ignore facts that don't support that pre-determined position. Unfortunately a mandate will make even more resist who may otherwise actually use logic based on the statistics. They'll resist because they don't want to be forced. I understand that.
Last edited by HoustonG; 09-24-2021 at 10:11 PM.
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C bash,
no need to be silent since it is perfectly fine to speak your mind either way, and you are going about it the proper way of looking at all your options. There is other drugs that Gilead Science had call remdesivir which is give after you are hospitalized with C-19, and was given to Trump when he got covid 19 last yr along with some other in the WH.
However, that only reduces the hospital stay in people without other health issues, therefore, if you have a severe case of C-19. it does not seem to work.
URMC is in Rochester, NY where thousands of people were tested in a blind test, and 3 of my family member work in the medical department, so I know this as a matter of fact not the internet.
There is over seventy people in my family clan all vaccinated, with some having had some fevers or aches on their arms, but by the grace of Christ, we are all well without any of the supposed side effects. If you or your wife have any severe allergies, it is strongly recommended that you receive your your vaccine in a medical controlled facility in the event of an adverse reaction, which can be easily handle by the attending Dr.
These are the only facts that I can provide for you in hope that it helps in your decision making.
Be well and be safe.
Thank you for a very detailed post.
Again I know the rules and debate is not allowed in this area. Trust is a funny thing. Earning trust is a blessing for all involved, but when trust has been destroyed it’s hard to get it back. This subject is too deep to have to tip toe around glaring problems that exist that can’t be talked about. I’m out.
Didn’t see your reply and thanks! Same to you!
Correct, there are never disagreements here.. ever!
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Do you Trust the CDC and WHO?
Gentlemen,
Most of you may not remember but back in Europe in the early 60's a supposedly wonder drug was introduced. The Jab was said to increase women's fertility and assist those previously barren to become pregnant. It was tested to some reasonable extent, then released..and was indeed extremely effective with one exception. One year later children were being born horribly deformed, this went on for a time and finally when enough evidence was collected the drug was banned and removed from the market. Its name Thalidomide(C13H10N204). From what I have read none of the Covid drugs have been tested near as long as this one was. Second point, there is an increasing number folk with various side effects after being injected, including the most serious... death. If after performing due diligence, one wished to be Jabbed, that is YOUR decision. Good Luck God bless. I chose not to take the Jab, at least not until significantly more publicly verified testing has been performed and the side effects understood and prevented. I take appropriate mitigating steps, i.e. social distancing, masks if I think it might be helpful, but the vaccines, as currently formulated....No thank you. I am not against vaccines in general, those that have been FULLY tested and their long term effects witnessed and recorded. I have received most all the typical vaccines required when traveling for the Military. But these (Covid Jabs), No, no and once again, no. I chose to place my health in my Lords hands. I think that a mandate is definitely infringing on my Constitutional rights and, if need,will give strong consideration to protecting them with any and all force required. There is substantial evidence to suggest this is nothing less then biological warfare, artificially developed and being used to increasing the financial status and power of a very few, very rich men looking to promote their socialist doctrines. While the vaccines may be helpful for some folk, its effects are be no means positive for all and the principal reason to mandate the "Jabs", is not medical, rather political. If some find this offensive, that was not the intent, rather to share some historical information and add my own thoughts on the subject.May we all come through this unscathed, through whatever means we so chose. God bless The USA.
Last edited by PTR52; 09-25-2021 at 06:34 PM.
In what regard? Are you saying you don't believe the numbers I posted?
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The idea of using messenger RNA for vaccines was first introduced in the 90's. The first experimental RNA vaccines were developed almost 20 years ago after the emergence of SARS-CoV-1. That's the biggest reason they were developed so fast now. The blueprint was already there and only had to be tweaked for SARS-CoV-2. They've been tested on animals for years. Yes, they're new in human use but the technology isn't new. It wasn't just whipped up overnight with no previous research as is implied.
Speaking of history, if you do some research you'll find that vaccine hesitency is nothing new either. Polio and smallpox vaccines both met with resistence. And just like now, the detractors spread false information. This time it's "micro chips", "sterilization" and anything else bloggers in basements could make up. I also saw it called the "depopulation vaccine" late last year by people online claiming those taking the vaccine would drop dead after 6 months. How's that working out? The problem with conspiracy theorists is that they'll never admit their theories were wrong. If the vaccinated are still alive and healthy in 5 years and all the fear is shown to be wrong, the theorists will just say the deaths are being hidden or whatever crazy excuse they come up with.
The rate of death from the vaccine is so extremely low (.003%) it's ridiculous to use that to dissuade people. 15-20 thousand people die every year and over 100,000 are hospitalized from reactions to OTC pain meds like Tylenol, Advil, and Aleve, but people pop those like candy and nobody's sounding any alarm.
I know people, including my wife, who considered not telling coworkers they got vaccinated due to the stigma created by the anti vax people. That's pretty sad.
I'm not trying to persuade anyone to get vaccinated and I don't like the idea of a mandate. I just think the arguments either way should be fact based and not fear mongering and hyperbole.
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Last I knew this is the land of free choice. I am running for school board in Nov and have made it clear that if you chose to wear a mask thats fine. If you chose not to wear a mask thats fine too. This is what tics me off....believe it was in the state of New York. Some medical people got fired because they wouldn't take the jab. Guess what?????They now are told that they can't get unemployment benefits because of insubordination. They are taking it to far....to fire someone, OK.....but to punish them goes over the line. Getting to a point where people are getting bullied.
Son in law is an eye doctor....still has constant ringing in his ear. Got the jab last winter.
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For the sake of his sorrowful Passion, have mercy on us and the whole world
I hope you win in your run for the school board. I am a veteran and seeing the abuses of the constitution and individual freedoms is disgusting! I made a personal choice the vaccine is not for me, I am not anti vaccination but I have my own personal beliefs about this vaccine. I do not think this vaccine is the mark of the beast but I do very much believe this is a pre cursor to it. Reading Revelation and watching what is going on in the world including the vaccine is amazing almost like it was wrote yesterday!
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1 Cor 15:1-4
Son in law is an eye doctor....still has constant ringing in his ear. Got the jab last winter.
This is the first time I have heard that ringing in 1 ear was a symptom associated with the vaccine, or as you like to call it 'the jab.
Odd that it would only be 1 earn?? Did he have the Moderna or Pfizer?
If you give it some thought, it is clear WHY the mandate was needed since everyone was given plenty of time and alternatives. Hence, the people that have been terminated perhaps need to evaluate their desire to be in health field, especially with the amount of information given and available to them, including one on one discussions with the head of URMC that did all the vaccine testing for the past yr+ with thousands of volunteers.
I have no issue for the average person with the amount of BS on the internet to have regrets due to disinformation, but it should not be happening in the health field with people that supposedly have knowledge of medicine.
BTW, their freedom to leave their jobs were not violated, since they were not forced to stay against their wills and desires, and the constitution does not give you any rights when it come to your job following laws applicable to their individual states.
It is clear that a mandate isn't needed at all.
The federal government mandating private companies over 100 to force vaccinate every employee is a clear overreach/abuse of power. The employees are being forced to leave for making a personal medical decision. It was not their will to leave it was get this done or be fired, which I agree the company has that right. The federal government does not have the right to force companies to make that decision. They also do not have the right to force states to make that decision.
The simple questions that should be asked are
If the vaccine works, why does it matter if someone else is vaccinated? According to the CDC and their data, this is not the case you can still contract and spread the virus just as easily as someone without the vaccine. So then that brings us to the second question.
If this vaccine is not preventing getting/spreading the virus and people are still being hospitalized, why does one have to have the vaccine to go to work and feed their family?
If the main reason is for our health and to prevent being hospitalized why fire nurses that are there for our health putting hospitals in a much worse position then covid ever did?
Right now the only reason hospitals are at capacity is due to a lack of Healthcare workers. Firing more Healthcare workers is not the answer to that problem. So then how is this for our health or is it something possibly more nefarious that is going on? The word situational design comes to mind.
1974 -Sea Ray 180 3.0 Mercruiser
2007 -Crestliner 1850 sport fish Mercury Optimax 150
1 Cor 15:1-4
