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    FYI regarding disc brake actuator lock up. Long post but hopefully helpful

    Hi everyone, I wanted to share my recent experience with an issue I had with my trailer and its disc brakes as it might help someone who might have the same issue at some point. I went fishing yesterday and had no problems going in reverse with my trailer going down the ramp to launch or down the ramp with the trailer to load the boat. This was because there was no tension placed on the brake system going down hill. When I got home though, when I tried to back into the garage the brakes locked up and I could not go in reverse. My trailer is only two years old and I was surprised this happened with a new trailer. I have a Coastline trailer and it has a Titan hitch on it that you cannot manually override the actuator like you can on many boat trailer hitches. So I was stuck only able to go forward. I ended up having to drive over my yard because that was the only way to get out of my driveway based on the angle that the trailer was sitting. I finally got it to the mechanic that I use for all my boat work and after a a multitude of checks/rule outs for why it was locking up we determined that the trailer was working fine and there was not an issue with the actuator. We used the same electrical plug I use and he was able to back up the trailer with his tractor but as soon as we hooked it back up to my truck it would lock up and not go in reverse. So he determined it had nothing to do with the trailer but was a problem with the truck and most likely electrical. So we next checked the fuse for the trailer towing and back lights on the truck and the fuse was fine. Now it was really getting confusing. So I then pulled the boat and trailer to my truck mechanic to see if he could figure out what was going wrong with the truck's electrical. He spent an hour checking all the power going to the electrical harness and plug and testing the power when putting the truck in reverse. The blue wire for the backup lights(which is the wire which feeds the actuator) would intermittently have power and then not have power going to it. So this was very confusing. At first we thought it might be the wiring harness and that the blue wire might have a partial break in it inside the five pin plug. So we hooked the trailer up to his truck and the trailer would back up fine and worked perfectly. So there was no doubt that the trailer wiring and the plug were all working fine. It had to be something wrong with the truck's towing and backup light system. He checked the fuse again for the towing and backup lights for the truck and it was fine. I have a 2007 F150 and so he was really scratching his head what could be causing this. He then decided to check to see if there was also a relay in the fuse box for the towing and backup lights of the truck and it turned out that there was. There was both a fuse and a relay fuse. He changed out the relay and then everything worked fine. So it turned out that the relay was bad and therefore was only intermittently allowing power to be sent to the towing/backup light system so that the actuator on the trailer would work properly. All of this entire process took about 4 hours to figure out (marine mechanic and truck mechanic time). So here is what I learned from this experience (and I have had disc be sent to the brakes on my boat trailers for over 30 years including this new Coastline trailer):

    1. Don't automatically assume because your trailer brakes lock up and you can't go in reverse that it is a trailer issue. It might just be a truck issue with either a bad fuse or relay fuse for the backup lights and towing system. Always check both of these. Also, the backup light electrical system on your truck is what works your actuator on the trailer. I didn't know that.
    2. Don't have a trailer with disc brakes that you cannot manually override the actuator on the trailer. Most UFP trailer hitches have an easy way to do this and in fact my previous trailer had a UFP hitch and you could override it easily. My current Titan hitch on my Coastline trailer does not have a manual override which presented a big issue for me when I was stuck in the driveway not being able to back up because of the angle that the trailer was sitting. I think this is a bad design not to be able to manually override the actuator.

    Sorry for the long post but I do hope this post helps anyone who might have the same issue down the road. It made for a very frustrating day for me and took a lot of time to figure out. I will now be carrying an extra relay fuse for the towing and backup lights for my truck. I already carry extra regular fuses.

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    Are you sure there is not a hole that a 1/4 or 5/16 bolt could go through to lock out the brake if you are ever in this situation again? Or that your latch locking pin could be used to lock out the brakes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hooken203 View Post
    Are you sure there is not a hole that a 1/4 or 5/16 bolt could go through to lock out the brake if you are ever in this situation again? Or that your latch locking pin could be used to lock out the brakes?
    No there isn't. I called the company that built the trailer and they said no. I also looked online for any ideas for manually locking it but there were no suggestions. I know that sounds crazy but for the Titan hitch actuator model 60ZX7000 I could not find a way to manually lock it. On E-Trailer website you can get an electric lock out. https://www.etrailer.com/question-351200.html

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    The tongue of the trailer has to move with respect to the frame of the trailer for the brakes to work I M H O. Find a place and drill a hole through both in the forward position. Then if you have a brake issue, stick a bolt through that hole.
    Relays can go bad no doubt and the truck is 15 years old. An intermittent electrical issue is hard to find.

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    Have electric lock out on mine, on way to roll
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    Quote Originally Posted by DewRonInc View Post
    Have electric lock out on mine, on way to roll
    If your electric lock out is wired to your backup lights and towing on your truck, then if your relay fuse goes out on your truck you will still be stuck and not be able to get the reverse lockout to work. Not sure how your electric lock out is wired.

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    I had similar problem with my trailer brakes on a Rangertrail and after a lot of troubleshooting I finally found the problem was a broken blue wire within the trailer plug. Replaced the plug and everything worked fine again. So lesson learned check the wiring on your trailer as well as your truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jthomp47 View Post
    I had similar problem with my trailer brakes on a Rangertrail and after a lot of troubleshooting I finally found the problem was a broken blue wire within the trailer plug. Replaced the plug and everything worked fine again. So lesson learned check the wiring on your trailer as well as your truck.
    Yep, that blue wire is the backup lights from the truck and that is what my car mechanic initially thought might be damaged as the power to that wire was intermittent. Turned out it was the bad relay fuse which was only sending power intermittently to the blue wire. It was quite the detective work for him to figure it out.

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    Had same Ranger 20 yrs and had several similar problems. Blue wire broke inside the tongue, took a while to fix. Could not backup into garage, had a removable tongue with a quick connect hydraulic fitting like an air compressor hose has. Disconnected that and vented to release brake. Ranger tongues have a lock out piece that fits in the tongue where the slide actuator is, and that helps if the electrical is not working and brakes are not locked.