Tesla Model X

[Asabove]

Neither does the country, ev's have been around a long time and are 1.5% of the market even after all the marketing and over 1 trillion spent to make and promote them.

You are correct, EVs have been around for years in some shape or form. But they have failed to capture anything but a miniscule amount of the market. Nobody cares, but a certain segment in our government is hellbent on making you care. Otherwise, they would be but a memory. Without the government and state subsidies, Tesla & Musk himself would not be profitable.

[CancerKiller]

EV’s are for chicks

[Asabove]

EV’s are for chicks

Elon says...

[dartag1829]

No more paying with Bitcoin. Got to have real money now.

[Cajunhunter67]

I just heard the other day that "if we all drove EV this pipeline closure wouldnt affect us".

So we will see

During the 10 days I was without electricity due to the past ice storm, I would disagree.
And the two previous hurricanes the year before. Fossil fuels rules the roost!

Don

[Cajunhunter67]

According to who? and what EV has been around a long time? What trillion was spent where. Maybe I have been living under a rock, but the Rivian, and Cyber Truck are the only EV trucks that can be preordered, they're not even available yet. Ford to release their EV truck in few days. The Cyber truck has 2 years of production already reserved. The Rivian has 10s of thousands pre ordered. The Ford EV will sell out in minutes. Tesla spends zero dollars in advertising, no need to promote.

EV's are only 1.5% of market because nobody has been making them. But thats changing.

Tell about the success of the Chevy Volt?
2019 the Prius sold 69K cars. The same year the F150 averaged 74K a month.

The Ev's have been offered and around for years and have failed to draw buyers.

Don

[boneil]

Tell about the success of the Chevy Volt?
2019 the Prius sold 69K cars. The same year the F150 averaged 74K a month.

The Ev's have been offered and around for years and have failed to draw buyers.

Don

Volt and Prius are both hybrids. Hybrids are the worst of both worlds. Small batteries that give you little to no range with gasoline engines that still require maintenance and repairs. The car companies love hybrids, the consumer thinks they are saving the environment and the car manufacturer still makes money on yearly maintenance and repairs.

But this is the point, there is so much misinformation and outdated information. You like many others thought the Volt and Prius where EV

[znate80]

At least he won't have to worry about his house catching fire for a few more years. We have seen multiple house fires involving those chargers.

[Cojab]

At least he won't have to worry about his house catching fire for a few more years. We have seen multiple house fires involving those chargers.

And you think that's bad.....wait until the battery storage systems they are starting to put in houses, garages etc. light up. No bueno

[bschwoep]

Volt and Prius are both hybrids. Hybrids are the worst of both worlds. Small batteries that give you little to no range with gasoline engines that still require maintenance and repairs. The car companies love hybrids, the consumer thinks they are saving the environment and the car manufacturer still makes money on yearly maintenance and repairs.

But this is the point, there is so much misinformation and outdated information. You like many others thought the Volt and Prius where EV

Car companies would much rather sell EVs, it's just up to this point it hasn't made economic sense because of the cost of the batteries. There is one reason and one reason only the car companies are going to EVs, it's going to make them more money. EVs are much simpler than a ICE vehicle and that eliminates a lot of labor and not to mention the supply chain. The car companies don't give a crap about the environment when they go to EVs, it's all about the bottom line.

[Walkabout7781]

EV's were available in the early 1900's. Then they invented gasoline stations and the EV's went bye-bye.

[XChris1632X]

They won't appreciate in value as it is still a vehicle with a diminishing material value, but it will hold value better than the rest.

Tell that to the guys who are making 10k plus on their vettes after owning them for a few months.

[Quillback]

Car companies would much rather sell EVs, it's just up to this point it hasn't made economic sense because of the cost of the batteries. There is one reason and one reason only the car companies are going to EVs, it's going to make them more money. EVs are much simpler than a ICE vehicle and that eliminates a lot of labor and not to mention the supply chain. The car companies don't give a crap about the environment when they go to EVs, it's all about the bottom line.

There's another reason, CA mandating that after 2030 or maybe it's 2035 that car manufacturers will not be able to sell ICE powered vehicles in that state. It's an open question whether EV's will ever sell well without govt. intervention.

[catfishjn69]

didnt California and Texas have electrical grid issues????
so how's the grid going to handle all the new EVs???? how is all that extra electric going to be made coal, natural gas, nuclear(solar and wind cant do it all)??? seems to me the dog is chasing its tail.

[mike petro]

didnt California and Texas have electrical grid issues????
so how's the grid going to handle all the new EVs???? how is all that extra electric going to be made coal, natural gas, nuclear(solar and wind cant do it all)??? seems to me the dog is chasing its tail.

This. It’s a pipe dream to think EV will replace fossil fuel in next 25 yrs. just not gonna happen. Technology just isn’t there.

[boneil]

didnt California and Texas have electrical grid issues????
so how's the grid going to handle all the new EVs???? how is all that extra electric going to be made coal, natural gas, nuclear(solar and wind cant do it all)??? seems to me the dog is chasing its tail.

Why even ask this question anymore? It gets asked on every EV thread on this forum and others. It gets answered time and time again. But those who ask usually don't like the answer so they go to right wing, oil and gas paid propaganda sites and post videos from those to refute the answer. Of course they believe the right wing oil and gas propaganda because it fits with their preconceived ideology of the world. But thats ok because younger generations are smarter and the older generations will die. Society as a whole will become smarter as time goes on. Your question will be irrelevant in 10 years. The question will be why didn't we do this sooner.

But, in case you're not one those people who I painted with a broad stroke.

The world will need to produce more energy. Nobody denies that. But an EV car powered by coal is still cleaner than an ICE vehicle that runs on gas or diesel. That's why cities in China that have switched completely to EV vehicles but still use coal for power generation, have much cleaner air now. Just google Shenzhen. https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookec...h=50c76f583a92

You say that solar and wind can't do it all, it doesn't have to. But solar and wind are contributing more and more to our power generation. Coal is on it's way out.https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/...%20electricity.

Many people who have solar on their roof, power their cars and homes.

Texas's problem wasn't a supply demand problem, they had a being cheap save a few dollars problem.

[1stindoor]

Tell that to the guys who are making 10k plus on their vettes after owning them for a few months.

My 2018 Ram is worth (according to KBB) almost what I paid for it over two years ago. Not exactly appreciating in value...but not moving South much either. Of course this will change once the backlog of new trucks finally hit the lots.

[TroyBoy30]

Texas's problem wasn't a supply demand problem, they had a being cheap save a few dollars problem.

it was a government mandate to use more wind and solar in texas. that's why they couldn't provide the energy needed to heat everyone. it was purely a green problem. the tech is just not there.

[boneil]

it was a government mandate to use more wind and solar in texas. that's why they couldn't provide the energy needed to heat everyone. it was purely a green problem. the tech is just not there.

That is completely not true. And only a Hannity show or similar would someone get that idea. Here is just one article on the matter. But there are dozens of reports on why Texas lost power. And only on soap opera TV was the problem blamed on solar and wind. https://www.bloombergquint.com/techn...ed-to-elements

Nat gas well heads froze, valves at a nuke plant froze, coal plants had trouble operating in the cold. Solar was the only one that continued to work.

And I bring up Hannity because I watched the interview with the Gov Abbott. I watched how Hannity framed the question to blame the problem on the green energy and Abbott was happy to a give an answer that satisfied Hannity even though hours before the Gov. tweeted out the problem was because of a lack of winterization of the coal, gas and nuke plants. They don't care about the facts, they cared about playing to their audience.

[boneil]

And if you or anyone else wants to read about how we are going to power all these EVs. Here is an article discussing a new report done by MISO.


https://www.canarymedia.com/articles...ent=1621001533

https://cdn.misoenergy.org/Electrifi...ghts538860.pdf