Hope the paint doesn't come off of it.Originally Posted by ColdSVT
Hope the paint doesn't come off of it.
Yup its groundhog day.
I wish it would tell you the species now. It would’ve saved us an hour the other day chasing drum around.
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Live scope is just another tool on the belt nothing more. I will say I’ve learned a lot by staring at the screen. But to the extent of being able to beat everybody else hands-down no it does not work that well. It does not make you a better fisherman. In my opinion it just gives you a few more chances to show you can be a good fisherman. Remember you still have to make the fish bite and get it in the boat. They do not jump in your live well just because you can see them.
There is limits in all pro sports when it comes to technology increasing performance. Hard to say what years of fish getting targeted by this sonar will do. It might be a good thing for us bank beaters. Fish may adapt to it and start getting spooked by the pinging of it. The A rig doesnt dominate like it used to, fish got used to it somewhat. Its in a fishs DNA to avoid predation. Problem i see is the cost to have top tier equipment has gotten ridiculous. Its no wonder the Kayak fishing is exploding, average folks cant afford to enter the game anymore. At the rate were on the tech in a boat is gonna cost more than the rig itself in 10 years.
Knot really difficult to say what will happen. They will shorten there feeding windows significantly ,and stop suspending under baitfish in open water less frequently first. They will hold tight to anything they can park next to...And in lakes that lack grass or good heavy cover they will become nocturnal feeders.. shallow fertile lakes with heavy cover will knot be affected much. But don’t expect much day time schooling adjacent to the heavy cover in daylight hours.. the guys tat can’t dissect heavy cover will be looking.. a lot.. and just looking..
It's a tool that when used properly, will help you catch more fish...both the Alabama rig and the livescope... Nobody says you have to use it...
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i like randy and yes he is old school.he does bring up some good points in the video but if he is going to continue to fish professionally he better get the latest technology out there and learn how to use it.even if your fishing just the larger open tournaments probably will be more competitive with the livescope technology.i probably wouldnt fish one without it.my technology is a good quality topo map,depth of water i am in,and water temp gauge.that technology is not very competitive in the bass fishing world anymore.
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I understand his points, but I think his comparison to an untouched field is a bit strange. That said, I have livescope and I have A-rigs. I have thrown them together once for about 4 hours, and didn't even get a bump. Here's my question about the tournament that was "dominated" by that combination. What were the typical results for tournaments on that lake, during that season, before live sonar? Were the weights THAT much higher that the winner say, 5 years ago wouldn't even cash a check this year? I'm going to hazard a guess and say, not by much. If it took say, 16lbs a day to win 5 years ago and the winner this year gets 17, did the combination really make a difference? In other words, those guys who "dominated", would they still have "dominated" if they didn't have those items? Would those same fish have been caught without those technologies? I bet so.
As for the comparison to racing, perhaps that's the point we are at. Yes, all forms of racing have rules, some more strict than others. But looking at drag racing, we have top alcohol dragsters, top fuel dragsters, top fuel funny cars, pro street, pro mod, street outlaw, outlaw pro, outlaw front wheel drive, stick shift...there's so many "pro" classes, is it time to offer the same for fishing tournaments? MLF tried to do that limiting people to spec boats.
Rather than outright "banning", just create a new class. How about a classic BASS series where you can only have 6 rods and say 20lbs of tackle or 10 boxes, or whatever? What about a class where electronics are limited to say, 20" combined diagonal screen size? What about a spec series where everyone has to use similar setups...IE 19' boat, 200hp, no hydraulic plates, no shallow anchors, 24v trolling motors, 2 9" graphs, no forward sonar, no spot lock, etc.? Instead of 300 anglers fishing the same day, using the same techniques in one tournament, why not offer multiple classes like this, so that you might have 3 classes with 100 boats in each? Then weigh-ins would be interesting to see how the different classes compare, and offer say an overall bonus for whoever comes in first overall? Maybe a 12v/115hp class with no graphs?
It would just be interesting to see how pro fields would divide if there were multiple classes to fish.
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Even kayak fishing is getting ridiculous. Those guys have electric motors, power poles, $1,000+ graphs. Some of those guys are pushing $5,000 on their kayaks. At the price you might as well find a cheap boat. When I used to fish from a kayak, the benefit was to get back into the real nasty stuff where you couldn't get with a boat. You don't need all those accessories to do that.
All reasons I went back to an aluminum boat with a 115 4S. I do have a couple HDS7s, but only have the HDS transducer in back. I have a network cable but opted to leave it off this boat. I just want to go out and fish, keep it simple. The only tournaments I’ve fished are small, like 20 people or less small. My partner and I won everyone we fished except for coming in second one time last year. It was fun, but ZERO expectations this year. We all just like to gather and have a good time.
That’s me, if the latest electronics and baits are fun to you knock yourself out!
IMO nothing, no amount of technology beats time on the water and confidence in a tournament.
P.S. I did spring for an Ultrex a couple years ago. That’s technology that makes my time on the water more enjoyable.
This whole argument reminds me of the old refrain, “the world’s going to heck because the young generation doesn’t give a crap!” Every generation has said this for eons. And, every time a new fishing technology emerges, somebody does their Chicken Little impression!Wasn’t it Minnesota that banned (or attempted to bean) the Lowrance Green Box because their DNR said that it’s use was going to mean that every lake in the state would be cleaned out?
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Desperately trying to remain relevant. Randy didn't get kicked in the d**k by Livescope or A-rigs...he got beat by better bass fishermen.
It’s not a gimmick ... it works , I weighed a limit sat I would of never in 50yrs caught without livescope... and yes caught em on the rig.. u no the old saying can’t beat them join them .. sorry randy
Ain't that the truth...dude is a crybaby, hypocrite and d-bag...he made bad decisions and all of the sudden it's due Livescope and A-rigs...he's just an idiot
Randy isn't even close the real problems are the Banjo minnow and the Flying lure, especially when used with a color-c-lector
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I have seen tin boat only tourneys designed that way. Funny thing is you can have a 65k tin boat in a field full of 5k tin boats, at the end of the day its the man not the equipment that catches fish.
Banjo minnow on an A-rig...mads hysteria, cats and dogs living together...oh the humanity!
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So Randy finished like 80 something in this event ..fishing LOZ arguably the toughest Lake in the entire Toyota Series to beat the local Hammers and hes butt hurt...(just keeping it real)....this guy is just doing this for Youtube hits. He already proved he's not about the low budget side of things when he jumped out of his tin rig back into the glass boat. Maybe he should try putting in the work more instead of making youtube videos. .....also his video about "reports from the lakes ie grand, table rock and LOZ".....the College event wasnt dominated by LiveScope and A Rigs....it was a Jerkbait bite that the whole top 10 used...yes they tossed the a rig to keep them honest but the meat came on Jerkbaits...I know I was there watching my kid. Hes once again using Youtube for hits. Your a PRO Randy shut up and and buy one already....
Maybe we should go back to stringers, tillers and hand controlled trolling motors too....Im sure hes working on that video.
Last edited by shooter66; 03-08-2021 at 09:25 AM.
Here is what i get out of it and why i agree with him. Lets put the challenge back totally on the angler... watch the tournaments from say the 90s when they had basic electronics... they had to WORK for it!!! A couple of other things I relate it to... Is drag racing really drag racing with an automatic, delay boxes, trans brakes vs say a gasser with a 4 speed? Is deer hunting really deer hunting when a guy is sitting in a stand with a pile of corn in plain site 20 yds away?
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