Jesus Christ calls himself Jehovah, does that make him a liar? Surely not!
Jesus Christ calls himself Jehovah, does that make him a liar? Surely not!
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Last edited by LennyB; 04-17-2021 at 06:11 AM.
Good afternoon Lenny,
You made this statement above : "The vast majority of Jehovah's Witnesses alive today have an earthly hope of living forever on the earth as Jehovah originally planned."
Where in the bible does it state or teach Jehovah originally planned for us to live forever on the earth?
Thanks !
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Last edited by LennyB; 04-17-2021 at 06:11 AM.
Lenny thanks.
God never said the human body was never going to die a physical death or the physical body was created immortal. Please point out the text in the bible that says that ?
To keep it simple, just post the verse.
I read all of the verses you provided and none of them support your idea that God's original plan to live physically forever. I will say this, If it was Gods plan it wouldn't have changed. Mankind's sin did not surprise God or make him go to plan B. ugh
God said in Genesis "the day that you eat of it you shall surely die". Well, that is exactly what happened to them. They died spiritually / separated from God / removed from His presence/ banished from the garden ect. They did not die physically until several hundred years later.
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Last edited by LennyB; 04-17-2021 at 06:11 AM.
Again more conclusions never reached absent the watchtower.
When we look closer at the statement Jehovah made to Adam stated above, we notice Jehovah warned Adam that "in the day you eat from it you will certainly die". Some may doubt the legitimacy of the Bible since Adam did not die that day. Some even come up with other ideas that Jehovah meant Adam spiritually would die that day, and some may even believe that God originally planned for man to die anyways, regardless of whether or not he sinned. In the cases just mentioned, they are all incorrect understandings.
​ I think you answered my question in the underlined portion.
The problem form there, you change what the bible actually says (by your own admission) and then turn around and teach a incorrect understanding anyway.
Lenny, thanks again for your interaction.
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Last edited by LennyB; 04-17-2021 at 06:12 AM.
On a lighter note
The earth is really not that large of a planet. How crowded would it have gotten if the view God intended everyone who was ever born didn't die from then throughout eternity ? Elbow to elbow would eventually be literal :)
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Last edited by LennyB; 04-17-2021 at 06:12 AM.
So, what was Jesus saying to the apostles in the upper room in these passages:
John 14
1 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2In My Father’s house are many [a]mansions; if it were not so, [b]I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. 4 And where I go you know, and the way you know.”
Further:
23 Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. 24 He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me.
25“These things I have spoken to you while being present with you. 26 But the [g]Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you, My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28 You have heard Me say to you, ‘I am going away and coming back to you.’ If you loved Me, you would rejoice because [h]I said, ‘I am going to the Father,’ for My Father is greater than I.
29 “And now I have told you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe. 30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me. 31 But that the world may know that I love the Father, and as the Father gave Me commandment, so I do.
There is only one other occasion in this Gospel in which the word here translated ‘mansions’ is employed, and it is this: ‘We will come and make our abode with him.’ Our mansion is in God; God’s dwelling-place is in us. So ask yourselves, Have you a place in that heavenly home?
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Last edited by LennyB; 04-17-2021 at 06:12 AM.
Lenny, I do not agree with your Theology. I can dialogue with you everyday as long as it remains friendly and cordial.
For those who have participated in some of my threads and or conservations.......................THIS IS A EXAMPLE OF WHY DETAILS MATTER. If you do not get the details correct, you get a theological mess on your hands.
Good people??? Lenny if Good is the standard then we don't need Jesus my friend.
gbs, I agree . There is no one good, not even one. I am one of the "not even". This person, godsdozer (Derrell Thomas) needs Jesus the Christ to represent me before God or I have no hope. I was 12 years old when I realized something separated me from God, and it was the person I was at 12 and now today at the age of 56 is the same thing that separates me God. Thank you Jesus you were my propitiation.
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Incredible, now you are saying that there is a Heaven and in our resurrection we will be in Heaven with Christ to govern with Him. Yet, GOD and Christ are very clear that there is only one that everyone is bowing down to with worship and exaltation, GOD the Father. Further, there is no need for government since there is no need for laws for everyone is bowing to Jesus Christ ( The Lamb) and worshiping GOD without any other hierarchy of power.
BTW, what would you know about government, governing, or allegiance to nation nor colors???
The Watch Tower Society has stated that voting in political elections is a personal conscience decision, though a Witness who takes any action considered to be a "violation of Christian neutrality" may face religious sanctions.
Jehovah's Witnesses believe their allegiance belongs to God's Kingdom. They refrain from saluting the flag of any country or singing nationalistic songs, which they believe are forms of worship.
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Last edited by LennyB; 04-17-2021 at 06:13 AM.
It doesn't, because its from watchtower. We can make up a new society tomorrow to explain why we do certain things.
Respectfully.
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