I quit hunting when pappaw died. We hunted cheap OSB stands, no game cams, 5 gallon buckets with squares cut in bottom for feeders and I would give anything to hunt with him again like that .What i see now does nothing for me. Dean is right, we have too many here and they have to kill literally as many as possible or they will starve. Tell you one thing, the BIG deer go nocturnal during deer season and most big deer are ones that never showed on a game cam. I have been on 3 youth hunts with my sons at state parks and it was OK for them to get the experience but these deer were dumb and just came out when the sun came out, but it is managed hunting really. Best part was interaction with GWs and the boys learning who they are and what they are about and why it is important to respect them. Goes for fishing too, just like a LEO, they respect them. I have a friend who build hunting trucks and he get s a chuckle at the dough these guys spend on these things while he and i are just trying to make it, these guys are blowing it to impress each other. My /.02