I hate dealing, it feels like begging. My wife will go for it though. I told her we could trade her car in for the one she wanted, but it had to be at a set price. Salesman is a friend in the loosest sense of the word, talk to him and know him somewhat well but we never went out with him directly. Showed him the car we wanted at another dealer and the price we wanted to pay after trade. Took almost 2 months I think, but he finally said they needed a few extra sales at the end of the month and I needed to be there the next day. I got the challenger at a steep discount (carryover 2019 I bought in feb of 2020) and was paid almost personal sale price for her trade in. Her car was fine and didn't really need the new one, but left it in the dealers hands if he wanted an extra sale.