I've been working on finding the numbers again, after they left the deep grass a couple of weeks ago (multiple area lakes). May have found a piece of the puzzle yesterday (7-9 PM), got 12 by finding the perch schools on the bottom grass (which ran to 15' or so) and fishing outside them on the drop. Got a dozen 1.5-2.5#, all in exactly 20', 9 on the DS. All the DS fish came off the same 50' stretch.