Originally Posted by Spanky06
They talk about his conduct issues locally quite a bit. It's a factor that is not helping his value.
Jerry has supported this knucklehead through his troubles and issues with the NFL office in a big way. Jerry has had his back. As a fan this is kinda like a slap in the face to Jerry.
The window they are operating in to be contenders is right now and next year. He ain't trying to worry about 3-5 years down the road. Economics suggest they all will not play together long.
No crawfishin, it was right there in my op.
Would only be one year if he sits out this year. Who knows then.
Creative math.
I agree with you 100 percent, the dude needs some work on his life skills, he had better not come back and get injured right away, that would chap my azz, and it seems to happen more often than not. (WTH is his agent telling him??)
Spanky
Excellent point, those RB glory days are over. Dallas would be dumb to give him a deal that limits their ability to retain talent.
Fully agree...his agent wont admit it, but the kid really is a liability. I mean come on Zeke...what the F are you doing at EDC walking around with the general public, and pushing some skinny kid around like some bully AWipe?! None of us would be surprised if we heard "breaking news:Elliot detained/arrested on suspicion of....." later tonight on sportscenter because of his consistent track record. These arent one time stupid youthful indiscretions.
Not saying he needs to play for free...but a deal favorable to team building would be nice considering the history between them. Hell...Jerrah was getting ready to fish fight Fidel Goddell over the suspension! lol
Thats whats messing me up about it. The reality tells me the boys cant pay zeke...the other reality tells me the boys HAVE to pay zeke, because our window is now. I know every year is "our year" but just like last year the league is pretty wide open...and there really is potential this year. I think last year was our best shot, this year being next best shot if everyones on the field....not sure on next season or the season after that just because of all the contracts up.
and then going back to my other point....Marshawn had a really good line during those seasons where you could argue he was carrying the team. So tough to anchor your franchise to a RB with a max type deal. Its not a great idea with QBs either (cousins, flacco, luck, etc...) but way more justifiable...its a death sentence with RBs imo. Rams might do decent this year, but not as good as last year...and next season is when those chains add the ball to them and weigh down the team with gurleys big deal even more. Donald got big money too. They gotta win this year too, or that window is shut. They do have a good coach tho, so he might keep them afloat.
Good RB's are a dime a dozen... Look no further than Pittttsberg... Bell out, Conner in, same production at less cost. You're better of dropping big contracts on the O line... They make it all possible... Dan
Lol okay.....
"Every top 3 RB has had a great o-line".
These are all Pro Football reference RB rankings by year O-line rankings listed after.
Barkley ran behind the 29th rated line-2018
Mccoy ran behind the 27th in 2017
Gordan ran behind the 26th
Only had to go back 2 years for that...imagine how silly your statement sounds going back 10 years .
RB market has been set. It's unfortunately higher than it should be but Zeke also deserves it. The QB market is also set and if you aren't going to pay Zeke what he "deserves" you shouldn't be paying Dak the 30 mil a year. He doesn't deserve it. When cooper showed up, his numbers were great. That's an argument for paying the play makers around Dak. Dak can't win without a running game, great o-line, and a solid WR. We've seen exactly what he looks like without the perfect situation around him.
So you are saying that the past Superbowl winners have done it with mediocre running backs with stud or at least very good QB's and great receivers. Dallas has the receivers and always has but without the threat of Elliott, Prescott is not a good enough QB to carry a team to the Superbowl and win. If he was they would already have a ring.
Bell is the current cowboys front office MVP....but also an enemy.
On the one hand they have a similar playing style in that they ran and caught balls and were freaks that people felt were 1 in a million...but had his fill in do decent enough. On the other hand, even though I also agree that Zeke doesnt have a ton of leverage (beyond the fact that he is the best back in the league which is plenty of leverage) Bell's situation also made a year long hold out an actual possibility instead of posturing the way it was before. This may be more likely to happen and its at least more doable for elliot since he was a top pick and got top pick money already, where L. Bell got second round money. So Zeke's got a bigger nest egg if he doesnt wanna work a year...but thats another reason why he should play since he's not in as bad a situation as Bell. He's not getting 15 million this year, but he's also not getting the league minimum.
That is the one thing the boys have going for them. It seems they can put any decent back in there and have success. It is either the coaching or the personnel (offensive line) or likely both that lead to success. Look at the steelers as they can put anyone in there and run the ball. Bell and Elliot are overrated. Sure they are great backs but put them in Atlanta and they would struggle.
Very good point and I stand corrected. Easier to get yards when on a trash team with no other options imo, but my statement was inaccurate looking at the stats. Thanks for proving out my point about a RB carrying a team tho. How did Barkley and the Giants do last season? How did McCoy and the bills do that season? Melvin Gordon has Phillip Rivers...but yea I would agree and dont think he has the best line. But still, Barkley and McCoy's seasons are perfect examples of what happens when a RB is put in a position to carry a team...and thats nothing good. Nothing good happens when a RB is central/the main focus on offense.
I imagine my statement wont sound silly at all in 10 years. Hell...theres no more fullbacks in the league. At this pace the RB position will be way different in 10 years than it is today. I think the rounded RB will be more valuable. RBs that can catch out of the backfield and maybe even split out in the slot.
Good o-Line=Good running back. Thats my point in a nutshell. Ill waste the time finding stats to back up all my years of observation next time so you cant try and discredit the whole argument with a stat.
I once read that 64% of stats are made up 82% of the time. LOL
Stats can be manipulated to say anything. Your post says McCoy ran behind the #27 line in 2017...this site says it is #7. So I guess im not that far off in regards to McCoy in 2017. Right?
https://www.pff.com/news/pro-ranking...017-nfl-season
yea no one, and not me ever said the word mediocre...or at least im pretty sure I didnt. Dont even think I been saying anything about stud Qbs and great receivers either, but instead been saying that a RB can not carry a team.
When you say Dallas has always had recievers, do you mean since october 22, 2018? Who are the receiving greats that have blessed the cowboys...and do not mention Dez. He instantly retired after he got his big money deal.
https://www.ranker.com/list/best-dal...ers/ranker-nfl
Aside from TO and Keyshawn I dont see any HOFers in there (modern day receivers since thats what we are discussing, im not talking about our legends)
It only looks like that if you take your skip bayless detective hat off and think about what you posted vs what we're talking about. Your link is the ranking AS A WHOLE that grades out all linemen in every facet they work as. The bills were 27th IN RUN BLOCKING. The basic ranking of a "oh look they were the 7th best line in 2017 so they must have been good" is why people make stupid statements about certain players. That doesn't show how awful the bills were in run blocking and opening gaps for a RB. They were one of the worst lines to run behind. Mccoy was hit behind the line 26% of the time-5th worst-. They were also ranked 31st as a unit in pass protection. So yes, stats can be misleading if you post those type of links that don't break down what an o-line is actually doing.
OK. You are right in your point that a good running back does not need a good O-Line. thats your point right?
I never realized the Cowboys have always had good WRs. Usually they got 1 guy that is good to really good and whole bunch of guys not so good.
Just want to post this from the link I posted.
OK. You are right in your point that a good running back does not need a good O-Line. thats your point right?
" Furthermore, this unit was once again among the best in the NFL when it came to helping ball carriers as Bills’ running backs averaged 1.92 yards before contact in 2017, the fourth-most in the league."
But again you are right.
you got a problem with the GOAT Terrance Williams or something?!
LOL jk, but yea we did have Dez and TO before that...but thats about as good as I remember. TO is a clown and not with the team during a good time, and Dez is Dez. Good but I never felt him great. No HOF for him. TO eventually but beside that WR has been struggling for the boys imo.
Could not agree more, Dak would be average QB if he did not have Zeke behind him.
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