Is the Evinrude E-TEC H.O. G2's (225/250) really superior to Mercury and Yamaha...?

[e-tec]

The only negative for the Evinrude's is their dealer network. Hard to find a dealer for service issues.

[RMO]

[QUOTE=TDOSoldier;9411187]Is the Evinrude E-TEC H.O. G2's (225/250) really superior to Mercury and Yamaha...? Would appreciate some input before making my purchase of a newer Bass Boat. Thanks and Godspeed. ><>[/QU
Running 225 HO G2 , Very quick , 10 year Warranty, had 8 years on last E-tech no issues. No Regrets !

[jc2bg]

The only negative for the Evinrude's is their dealer network. Hard to find a dealer for service issues.

Must be a highly regional thing, because I see tons of Evinrudes on the Texas Team Trail. Fortunately we have half a dozen good Evinrude shops within driving distance of my home.

[Thorny]

Must be a highly regional thing, because I see tons of Evinrudes on the Texas Team Trail. Fortunately we have half a dozen good Evinrude shops within driving distance of my home.

Here in Central Alabama, we only have two, and only one of them sells bass boats at all. That one sells a lot more Mercurys, because that's what everyone around here wants.

[Wackyjig]

Must be a highly regional thing, because I see tons of Evinrudes on the Texas Team Trail. Fortunately we have half a dozen good Evinrude shops within driving distance of my home.

Closest rude shop with the certs to work on g2's is 3 hours from me. I would probably have one if it wasn't for that. No ragrets about going with a sho though

[catch5]

if my bad 18 year oil ficht would hurry up and die, I would have one asap!!!!

Congrats on 18 years man. That’s good life span for any outboard. You got a good one which was rare...

[catch5]

Must be a highly regional thing, because I see tons of Evinrudes on the Texas Team Trail. Fortunately we have half a dozen good Evinrude shops within driving distance of my home.

Must be cause here In Indiana I’ve yet to see the first one..

[jim maloney]

Fitch was also supposed to be better. It drove them bankrupt. None if us know the answer and won't for several years, after it has proven, or disproven itself.

Don't know what the future holds but this could also be true for mercurys new 4 stroke motors, I personally think they will have their share of problems and will not jump on that band wagon for a year or two.....just my opinion

[jim maloney]

Well. As of the last few weeks it is the best 2 stroke on the market. The 2 stroke market will die once evinrude sees the light.

Yamaha and Mercury had to comply with C.A.R.B. regulations, that's why they now have a 4 stroke motor , not because they wanted to, but because they had to. The same will be with Evinrude in a year or two when they have to comply. ….this is the facts, good or bad …..I guess we will see down the road

[leo13]

It is not comply. It is all about the size of the check that they have to write every year to maintain the current standards. The fewer the checks the larger they are. This was and is strategic. Now Rude is holding the ball. They will either pay more or develop new technology. The manufactures pass on their lobbying costs to the consumers, it is a tax.

Yamaha and Mercury had to comply with C.A.R.B. regulations, that's why they now have a 4 stroke motor , not because they wanted to, but because they had to. The same will be with Evinrude in a year or two when they have to comply. ….this is the facts, good or bad …..I guess we will see down the road

[ChampioNman]

It is revolutionary in several ways. Most importantly by having the exhaust ports on the none thrust side of the cylinder. It is a larger displacement two stroke that is relatively clean compared to previous designs. When scaling for potential by design it is actually the largest displacement outboard for our use. Unfortunately the EPA which is 90% a revenue collecting agency will put and end to it. In simple terms companies that produce products have to lobby to keep the current standards. Now that Rude is the outlier they will pay more.

Not sure how your figure it is the largest displacement outboard the others have much larger displacement. The G1 motors were CARB 3 rated and the G2 is CARB 3 rated.

[leo13]

For our application it is the largest based on potential. Two strokes have a higher specific output per liter then a four stroke. In this style it is about 1.7:1. A 3.4L two stroke is equal to a 5.7L four stroke in potential output. CARB is california air research board it is not an EPA rating. Every state has their own requirements. The EPA basis their requirement on revenue. They raise standards based on income.

Not sure how your figure it is the largest displacement outboard the others have much larger displacement. The G1 motors were CARB 3 rated and the G2 is CARB 3 rated.

[Trickyrick]

Leo, I understand your premise but there is no discrimination of engine type. The law as written doesn't care about 2 stroke or 4 stroke.

In order to get CARB certified the actual engine family must be tested using the worst model. For 2018 here are the results.

We will exclude CO as it is not regulated.

Lowest HC and NOx

Yamaha SHO is lowest
Rude G2 is 10% higher
Merc 4.6 Pro XS is 30% higher

These are the test results. If you Toss CO in Evinrude Crushes everyone .
So Change the standards and Merc 4S will be the issue.

PS if you look up the data you can see Peak torque and RPMs along with peak power and RPM.... It is an interesting bit of info

[leo13]

The EPA test is indeed for all types, 2 and 4 stroke. The difference is your referring to a state regulation and test method and I'm talking about the federal test by the EPA. The EPA tests at four different engine speeds and I have not seen the results for the different models. One would have to assume a two stroke at idle which is the first speed tested would have a higher HC level then a four stroke. Maybe not, maybe the G2 will be with us for awhile.

Leo, I understand your premise but there is no discrimination of engine type. The law as written doesn't care about 2 stroke or 4 stroke.

In order to get CARB certified the actual engine family must be tested using the worst model. For 2018 here are the results.

We will exclude CO as it is not regulated.

Lowest HC and NOx

Yamaha SHO is lowest
Rude G2 is 10% higher
Merc 4.6 Pro XS is 30% higher

These are the test results. If you Toss CO in Evinrude Crushes everyone .
So Change the standards and Merc 4S will be the issue.

PS if you look up the data you can see Peak torque and RPMs along with peak power and RPM.... It is an interesting bit of info

[mohawkman]

Fitch was also supposed to be better. It drove them bankrupt. None if us know the answer and won't for several years, after it has proven, or disproven itself.

Smart man, well said. Never guy the first version guys that have any budget challenges

[Trickyrick]

The EPA test is indeed for all types, 2 and 4 stroke. The difference is your referring to a state regulation and test method and I'm talking about the federal test by the EPA. The EPA tests at four different engine speeds and I have not seen the results for the different models. One would have to assume a two stroke at idle which is the first speed tested would have a higher HC level then a four stroke. Maybe not, maybe the G2 will be with us for awhile.

The CARB test is run and weighted at 5 different RPMs and is related to duty cycle. What I'm saying is if the testing is about the same then the 2 stroke can be better than the 4 stroke and contrary to doubters there is nothing to stop the continued production of the G2 that wouldn't also stop the production of existing Mercs and Yammis.

Now will it be less profitable to go from 16.1g to 8g. I do not know but as of now no one can get to 8g.... and 2 of three are under 12g.

So the G2 is hereto stay.
it is a strong and reliable option. If its strengths match your needs people should give it a look.

[leo13]

The G2 250HO is not the cleanest and will be more difficult to improve compared to the 4 strokes. The EPA will threaten to move the standards up and it will cost the outlier's to keep the current standards.

Here are the test results.

HC+NOx cert/family CO HP/rpm Tq/rpm

G2 14.2/16.0 80.3 246/5500 327.7/4250

SHO 10.4/16.1 220 265/5750 280.3/4500

MercV8 13.3/16.1 66.6 263/4000 304.6/4000

[Trickyrick]

The G2 250HO is not the cleanest and will be more difficult to improve compared to the 4 strokes. The EPA will threaten to move the standards up and it will cost the outlier's to keep the current standards.

Here are the test results.

HC+NOx cert/family CO HP/rpm Tq/rpm

G2 14.2/16.0 80.3 246/5500 327.7/4250

SHO 10.4/16.1 220 265/5750 280.3/4500

MercV8 13.3/16.1 66.6 263/4000 304.6/4000

You got most of the data correct but you picked the wrong evinrude The 250 is 11.92

You have to be fair and compare Apple to Apples...

[leo13]

The 250 HO is the most equivalent to the 250 SHO and 250 Proxs. Your looking at the 200 & 225hp. Click on the executive order # and scroll to the second page and lists the hp with the hp&tq.

You got most of the data correct but you picked the wrong evinrude The 250 is 11.92

You have to be fair and compare Apple to Apples...

[Trickyrick]

Yes and you picked the 300 rave and you torque numbers n rpms are incorrect.