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    Question Shimano Spinning Reel "Wet Sticking" Problem

    I've got 2 Saharas' with this problem; when it rains and gets wet, it binds and sticks when cranking. I COMPLETELY disassembled, cleaned and reoiled/greased, and it still does the same thing. I did a net search and found other people with the same problem, but didn't come up with a root cause/for sure repair. Anybody know anything about it?
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    Be interested in this answer as well. I have two of older Quantum spinning reels that do the same thing and like you I have cleaned and lubed them only to have it happen again as soon as it gets wet.

    I can let them dry out a few days and they will be as smooth as ever until they get wet again.

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    That's usually an overlubed issue. Were they full of grease, and which grease did you relube with?

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    I had a couple Saharas that did the same thing. I called Shimano a couple times and their techs really didn't help much. If yours are like mine, they stick when the spool is all the way extended outward or all the way back. As a result, I figured the problem was the aluminum gears...figured they might have been slightly warped due to using braid on the reels. I replaced both the main gear and the little gear and it helped a little. But, within a few weeks, they started sticking again, but not as bad.

    Does anyone make a good spinning reel, for a reasonable price, that has brass gears instead of those cheap aluminum gears?
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    Quote Originally Posted by reelex View Post
    That's usually an overlubed issue. Were they full of grease, and which grease did you relube with?

    Dan
    They had never been opened up before. The reel started sticking badly over time and only in the rain. After it dried, it was fine. I disassembled the reel; it was clean inside and no excess grease. I cleaned and reassembled using Shimano oil and a light grease from work that's suitable for use around o-rings, etc. It worked good through one rainstorm, but the next time out it began sticking again.
    I did read somewhere on the net that a Shimano licensed tech blamed it on the plastic bushing inside (btw, why in the h$@# would Shimano use a plastic bushing in a spot with extremely high loading??) swelling when it got wet with water. I'm an industrial mechanical by trade and a gunsmith, so you can see how ridiculous that sounds that a plastic bushing could stand the effects of oil and grease, but would swell in contact with water.
    Hopefully there's a fix for this; I don't want to start throwing reels out.
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    Go here ... Mike's Reel Repair - Free Online Schematics for Fishing Reels, Trolling Motors, and Downriggers - Shimano/Shimano SI2500RE

    Find the schematic for your reel and open the file. Find the part called the "friction ring" and replace it or remove it altogether (if you close the bail by hand, it won't matter) The rotor assembly needs to come off, the friction ring is a small rubber ring. That is the wet stick cause 99.9999% of the time. Been down that road. It's not a lube issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bilgerat View Post
    Go here ... Mike's Reel Repair - Free Online Schematics for Fishing Reels, Trolling Motors, and Downriggers - Shimano/Shimano SI2500RE

    Find the schematic for your reel and open the file. Find the part called the "friction ring" and replace it or remove it altogether (if you close the bail by hand, it won't matter) The rotor assembly needs to come off, the friction ring is a small rubber ring. That is the wet stick cause 99.9999% of the time. Been down that road. It's not a lube issue.
    Thanks! I'll check that out.
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    It's item # 6698 on this Sahara schematic - it's pretty much the same thing throughout the entire Sahara line ...

    http://www.mikesreelrepair.com/schem...o_sh1000fa.pdf
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    I don't know how mechanically inclined you are, but you don't needto tear down the whole reel or go into the gearbox. Remove the spool ,the drag clicker star and any nylon / and / or metal spacer washers (keep track of them!) from the shaft and the rotor retaining nut. Lift the rotor off and the ring will be visible between the clutch pack and the frame. It will likely be held on with two small Phillips head screws. No need to get into the clutch or anything like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bilgerat View Post
    I don't know how mechanically inclined you are, but you don't needto tear down the whole reel or go into the gearbox. Remove the spool ,the drag clicker star and any nylon / and / or metal spacer washers (keep track of them!) from the shaft and the rotor retaining nut. Lift the rotor off and the ring will be visible between the clutch pack and the frame. It will likely be held on with two small Phillips head screws. No need to get into the clutch or anything like that.
    I know exactly what you're talking about. I'll order several of the friction rings; I'm quite certain that's the problem.
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    WARNING, YES you need to REMOVE the anti-reverse clutch! DO NOT attempt to stretch the new FRICTION ring over the clutch!

    If you want to find out for sure first, pull the friction ring out first and fish the reel. The friction ring is not needed to test the reel. Some lubricants, WD40, etc etc can cause the ring to fail, usually by cracking, stretching, and becoming displaced. Water rarely effects it unless it has already compromised. If the ring is black in color I would change it out either way. The new blue poly urethane types are much better.

    Here's the part(s) I use;

    1000 size reel is RD 7845
    2500 size is RD 11121


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    Thanks Dan.
    What purpose does the friction ring serve?
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    Good catch - I was going by experience on my Sahara, which had a 'horseshoe' shaped friction ring which did not require clutch removal if I remember correctly. If it is a full round style, then the clutch has to be removed. My bad if I confused anyone
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    Dan: Thanks for the info. The Shimano techs did mention that the friction ring might be the problem and to make sure that I used some oil to lube it. Since I always close my bail by hand, I may just take it off and see if that solves the problem I noted above. But, unlike the OP, mine sticks any time, not just when it's wet and it always sticks when the main shaft is fully extended or retracted.
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    no problem guys, yes there was a half ring (horsehoe) way back when. The friction ring is actually part of the bail design as it allows the bail pin on the bottom of the rotor to grab ahold of it, holding the bail open when casting. Worst thing that will happen is the bail will slam shut when you cast when the ring is gone, and yes, when you install the new one, a THIN coat of oil will be plenty.

    Good luck,

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    Guys, thanks for all the insight!
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