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    A Rig info for the Potomac - 2 hooks only

    ALABAMA RIG DEFINED
    Potomac River Fisheries Commission (PRFC)
    The Potomac River Fisheries Commission (PRFC) has recently received questions about a type of gear called an Alabama Rig. The PRFC defines the Alabama Rig “as an umbrella rig which may not have more than two baits or lures that have hooks.” Additional hooks can be removed to bring the rig into compliance with regulations for the main stem of the Potomac River. This is consistent with the Maryland Department of Natural Resources regulations for the Maryland tidal tributaries of the Potomac River.

    Reminder to Fishermen on the Use of 'Alabama Rigs'
    12/16/2011 Maryland DNR
    The Department has recently received many questions about a type of gear called an Alabama Rig. The Department defines the Alabama Rig as an umbrella rig. The umbrella rig, as described on page 39 of the 2012 Fishing Guide, may not have more than two baits or lures which have hooks. Additional hooks can be removed to bring the rig into compliance with regulations. This is consistent with regulations for the main stem tidal Potomac River as well, which is managed under the authority of the Potomac River Fisheries Commission.
    MD law says----IN TIDAL WATERS OF THE STATE IT IS UNLAWFUL: to use more than two (2) hooks or two (2) sets of hooks for each rod or line. Artificial lures or plugs with multiple hooks are considered one (1) set of hooks.
    <a href="http://dnr.maryland.gov/fisheries/news/story.asp?story_id=208
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    Re: A Rig info for the Potomac - 2 hooks only (mikesxpress)

    Hmmm

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    Re: A Rig info for the Potomac - 2 hooks only (mikesxpress)

    so if i am reading this correctly you can throw a 2 headed umbrella rig and be in compliance just cant throw 3 or more? Wouldnt it just be easier to just ban the dam umbrella rig and end all conversations or speculation.

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    That only applies to the main stem and MD creeks! You can throw as many as you'd like on the VA side!



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    You can throw the rig with as many shad bodies as you want but only two of them can have hooks. PRFC enforces the laws on the entire river. I'll stop there and you can make your own decision based on what's in your wallet.

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    Thats what I thought about the PRFC, they catch you throwing a reg umbrella rig any where on the Potomac and they can fine you whether its DC,VA,MD. Not interested in throwing a surf rod all day on 100lb braided line. 1 swimbait works well enough.

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    I've spoken with the PRFC, MD DNR, and the VA GIFC, and all of them said the same thing! If you want to throw the A Rig with 5 hooks in the VA tributaries you can! I'm not trying to get into an argument with you Mike, but I've done a ton of research on this very subject! All of the agencies I mentioned did say though that if you are in the main stem or a MD tributary you are limited to two hooks!



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    That just means you need to know where the VA line starts...and that usully does not include anything on the main river.

    Bet teh DNR makes some money this year!

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    I bet they make a killing!



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    I have spoken directly with both DNR Maryland and the Executive Secretary Kirby Carpenter and the Vice Chairman Mr. Bowman of the PRFC. The PRFC only enforces laws on the main channel of the Potomac River they do not enforce in the creeks within the state of VA. Rigs are only allowed two hooks on the main channel and the MD side creeks. VA DFIG and I quote the officer I spoke to, "You can have 50 hooks we do not care, but only in VA water."

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    See map in this link. Seems pretty clear what they regulate to me. Maryland regulates their tributaries and Virginia regulates theirs. PRFC seems to have the same regulation as Maryland for umbrella rigs on the main stem.

    http://www.prfc.state.va.us/sp...c.htm

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    No arguments from me. Just trying to push information. As long as your in the limited amount of VA water on the river they have no hook limit that is correct. As Federal Law Enforcement officer I talk to these guys a bit myself...


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    Lets say your in Aquia and chucking the 5 hook umbrella rig and then put it away in rod box and its still attached and run on main river and start fishing and get stopped by MD DNR and they do a safety check and see your rig hooked up but not using it can you still be fined? Can the rig be kept in boat but unattached to a rod? I hate rules like this..one state says its ok another says no and they both share same waters,,anybody know what DC says about this rig?

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    It takes very little time to take all your baits off a Bama Rig...So is it worth it to take a chance and leave it tied on with baits on it ?

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    I just knew this would get interesting!!

    We can make this easy. The PRFC markers are located along the low water mark on the VA/MD boundry. Maryland owns the river up to the low water mark except where bigger creeks enter the river or in some shallow bays. In these cases, VA water is located point to point at the mouth of the creek. Also on a Lowrance you can pull up the state line and have it visable if you like? East of the PRFC markers you are in MD. West from the markers (in VA) you can throw as many hooks as you want. The map below shows the green areas that are VA.

    The Potomac estuary runs from the tidal fresh waters of Washington, DC to the mid-range salinities of the Chesapeake Bay at Point Lookout, Maryland and Smith Point, Virginia.

    The Potomac serves as the state boundary line between Maryland and Virginia, and is the home of two other political jurisdictions, the District of Columbia and the Potomac River Fisheries Commission. The Potomac River Fisheries Commission is a Maryland and Virginia bi-state Commission, which regulates all fishing on the tidal mainstem of the Potomac between Washington, DC and the Chesapeake Bay, exclusive of the tributaries on either side of the river.

    Each of these four jurisdictions has the authority to, and does, publish and enforce rules, regulations and laws dealing with such fishing matters as seasons, size limits, creel limits and licensing requirements. Knowing where you are fishing is important because licensing requirements, season and limits can be, and sometimes are, quite different. It is your responsibility to know what the laws are where you are fishing.

    The Potomac River Fisheries Commission, in cooperation with the State of Maryland, Commonwealth of Virginia and the District of Columbia, maintains a system of day markers at the mouths of the various creeks, bays and inlets, which are tributary to the Potomac. On several of the larger tributaries, intermediate spar or can buoys are maintained.

    The day markers consist of a 4-foot by 4-foot sign mounted on a steel piling. They are white with an orange border and black lettering. They are individually numbered and lettered and are generally located in shoal water near the headlands of the tributaries. This drawing may be useful in helping you decide where you are fishing!

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    The issue of having a multiple hook (more than 2 hooks) A-Rig is a matter of law enforcement as it relates to Prima Facie evidence (enough evidence for there to be a case) that you are fishing with a device deemed illegal in MD. Note: Prima facie evidence need not be conclusive or irrefutable.

    If your actually throwing a rig with more than 2 hooks in MD waters you fall into a Res ipsa loquitur event which means that because the facts are so obvious, a party need explain no more. If the same rig is tied on in MD waters and laying on deck, then the Prima facie evidence is that you are indeed fishing with it. This same <u>could</u> also apply to the rod/rig if it's in the rod locker.

    Safe bet is to cut off the A-Rig with more than 2 hooks and store it in your tackle bag or remove all but two hooks before traversing MD waters.


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    For those of you who are confused, I'd recommend that you call the agencies and ask a question! Getting it from everyone else on here could cause you to have more questions. If you'd like points of contact IM me and I'll give them to you!

    You can have the rigs on your boat, tied on, in the rod locker or on the deck of the boat! From the MD DNR, as long as the rig isn't in the water you are good to go! Again, like I said, call the agencies for yourself and get the information so you won't have to deal with hearsay!!

    Like most of you, I fish tournaments and am concerned about this, which is why I called and emailed the agencies I've previously mentioned!!



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    What's in writing is what counts.

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    I would assume there is only 1 right answer and I thought that answer was being explained on this thread. Mike's explanation is sufficient for me, I dont plan on throwing the rig anyway , to me its just trying to cheat the skill and i will stay with a single swimbait, seems to do well enough.

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    I would assume there is only 1 right answer and I thought that answer was being explained on this thread. Mike's explanation is sufficient for me, I dont plan on throwing the rig anyway , to me its just trying to cheat the skill and i will stay with a single swimbait, seems to do well enough.

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