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    Gen-2 Torquemaster GENERAL setup guidelines

    The New Gen-2 Torquemaster (aka: Wingmaster) was designed to utilize existing Verado-Gearcase gearset and internals (which have a WELL PROVEN track-record), with a new housing/propshaft that includes several performance improvements:

    Features:

    -Cambered skeg (w/Torque Tab) that reduces steering torque at higher speeds, and improves handling/stability

    -A widened/vented strut area (above the bullet of the case) to reduce drag, and improve handling at speed

    -Spray shield (looks like a mininature "wing") at forward end of gearcase, that directs water toward side water inlets (and helps reduce drag by limiting area of gearcase exposed to water)

    -Only 3 side-water inlet openings on each side of the gearcase (plus low water pickup inlets), allowing for higher-mounting height running, while still maintaining adequate water pressure (recommend 18 psi as the minimum target pressure).

    APPLICATIONS: This gearcase is best suited to LIGHTER boat hulls, that will CONSISTENTLY (as in most any day of the year) achieve speeds in excess of 80 MPH. For heavier hulls, or hulls that will not CONSISTENTLY reach this speed, the Servicemaster/Verado gearcase is likely a much better choice.

    Keep in mind- at present there are TWO SEPARATE model numbers for 225 or 250 ProXS 20" engines. When ordering an engine, your selling dealer should be capable of assisting you in determining the CORRECT model for your particular application. Due to the complexity of making the proper choice- it is strongly recommended that you deal with a LOCAL Authorized Mercury dealer when purchasing engines.

    GENERAL SETUP GUIDELINES:

    -Additional setback required for best performance
    . These gearcases will usually perform best with a MINIMUM setback of 24" from the pad or keel (to the engine mounting surface). Reports we're receiving are that the further back you go (*within the maximum capacity/rating of the transom of course*), the better they perform. Many are seeing excellent results at 24+ inches (and are achieving previously unheard-of slip numbers).

    -Engine mounting height will need to be INCREASED, as compared to previous Gen-1 Torquemaster Equipped models. In most cases, 3/4" (one mounting hole) to 1" height increase works best (but may vary, based on the setback achieved). Monitor water pressure, WOT RPM's, and GPS Speed as indicators of how effective the setback and engine height is. If replacing a Standard (Servicemaster) Gearcase model engine with a new Gen-2 Torquemaster model engine, start ONE MOUNTING HOLE HIGHER (3/4" higher).

    For applications where a NON-TORQUEMASTER gearcase was previously used (or no documented previous setup information is available)... the following calculations may prove helpful (achieve optimum setback FIRST for best results):

    1. Level the engine “cavitation plate” with the keel of the boat (running surface, or “pad” on a bass boat) by using the power trim button. This measurement is best achieved using a digital level.

    2. Measure from the back of the boat’s running surface (pad) to the gearcase nose cone in inches

    3. Multiply that figure by 0.181

    4. Using a laser or a straight edge, extend the plane the keel is on out to the gearcase.

    5. The measurement from the top of the straight edge, or where the lazer contacts the gearcase, up to the bottom of the cavitation plate needs to be the distance you calculated using the 0.181 multiplier.



    -Prop Selection: Propellers with LARGER BLADE AREAS work best. The choices MOST preferred would be the Bravo-1 FS, Bravo 1-XS, Fury, Trophy Plus, Tempest Plus, Mercury ProMax, Trophy Plus. Larger blade area propellers better utilize the improved gearcase geometry, resulting in excellent slip numbers (in some cases, bordering on "unbelievable" by previous standards). Keep in mind- achieving lower PROP SLIP may require the use of a SMALLER PITCH (often one pitch point LOWER than was used with previous Torquemaster model).

    -PVS Opening Sizes: PVS ventilation openings must be reduced by approximately 50% of the size used on previous gearcase models (to lessen chances of blowout on holeshot). Essentially, reduce plugs ONE SIZE from previous used sizes, as a good starting point (see BRAVO-1 XS notes below*).

    -Propping RPM Target: Target for 5800-5850 RPM's, loaded with a FULL TOURNAMENT LOAD, Two Persons, and FULL FUEL TANK(s). This will ensure that the engine reaches it's peak Torque and Horsepower range when FULLY LOADED... and leave adequate room within the acceptable RPM band for LIGHTER loading at other times.

    *Bravo-1 XS propeller PVS opening reduction can be challenging. One useful option is to install TWO (2) 1" Freeze Plugs in the prop, which can then be DRILLED to achieve adequate ventilation. In many cases, two 1" freeze plugs installed, and drilled to 3/8" openings work well.

    Another option is the Bravo-1 FS (which now has standard PVS openings, allowing you to fine-tune for best holeshot).

    The above are GENERAL guidelines... and though they are certainly useful, your EXACT results may vary. When working with setback/engine height, use reasonable care and caution to ensure the SAFETY of you, your passengers (and those around you or within the boat's proximity).

    IF your engine will not perform when setup via these guidelines, there's likely something WRONG with the engine. Have your local (Authroized) Mercury Dealer refer to the latest service literature and bulletins for guidance.

    *This post is now pinned to the "Commonly Asked- Commonly Used" Sticky post, at the top of the Forum, for future reference (near the top of the list, directly below "Engine Break-In").
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    Thanks Don!!

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    Question for Don.2013 legend alpha 211 with 2013 250 pro xs gen2.merc rep put a bravo 1 xs 26p on my boat last week tried it Saturday.the boat gained a few mph.I'm running it at about 21/4 on the jack plate.runs best not quit at full trim.holeshot was also excelent..made the ride a lil bumpier because of the tail end lift..problem I had was putting it back on the trailer.I seemed to have no power to push it on..would plugging 1 or 2 of the large holes help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by basser38 View Post
    Question for Don.2013 legend alpha 211 with 2013 250 pro xs gen2.merc rep put a bravo 1 xs 26p on my boat last week tried it Saturday.the boat gained a few mph.I'm running it at about 21/4 on the jack plate.runs best not quit at full trim.holeshot was also excelent..made the ride a lil bumpier because of the tail end lift..problem I had was putting it back on the trailer.I seemed to have no power to push it on..would plugging 1 or 2 of the large holes help?
    More info needed on that setup BEFORE commenting:

    -Current WOT RPM's (Smartcraft preferably)
    -Current WOT Water Pressure
    -Current SETBACK
    -Bravo 1XS with NO PLUGS
    -2 1/4" below pad

    Be glad to offer suggestions when the "current" data items are filled in.


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    merc rep was out testing my boat so theres a debate on the rpms at wot..he ran the motor up to 2 in below pad and trimmed it all the way out and got 5800 rpms..when i recieved the boat back i ran it where he told me and found i the stearing was stiff and i was throwing a huge rooster tail..i ran the jack plate down to 2 1/4 and trimmed it in a lil.speed went up but im only turning 5600 rpms.and that is with the smart craft guage.they where comparing my boat to an identical boat that would turn over 5800rpms in the sweet spot,they where trying to tell me there was nothing wrong with my motor.its along story.im trying to make the best of a bad situation...but here are my numbers all smartcraft
    wot rpms 5600
    wot water pressure 25
    setback is right at 24" tried 2 more inches with no difference in preformance
    26 p bravo 1 xs
    2 1/4 below pad

    I realize my wot rpms are low.this has been a 3 month battle.it runs a lil better with this prop and would just like to know if there is something i can do to get the new prop to push it up on the trailer.the 25 fury had no problem.

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    One other note according to merc rep 5700 rpms is where peak hp is..

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    Quote Originally Posted by basser38 View Post
    One other note according to merc rep 5700 rpms is where peak hp is..
    You'll get varied answers on this... I can tell you from experience (and dyno tests) that most hit peak at 5800-5850 (and hold til about 6000).

    IMHO, you're over-propped by 1-1.5 pitch points.


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    Yes I agree ,I've always been told between 5800 and 6000...this has been an on going issue..the boat motor combo should be able to turn either the 25 fury or the 26 bravo but it won't..the merc rep tested my boat all week and said the 26 bravo was the prop for that boat..aviously not it won't even load it properly on the trailer..ill have to give merc customer severvice another call.thanks for the input..

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    New/updated information added.


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    don, what do you suggest i do on an 09 z520? i have a new 2014 ringmaster? I'm currently running a 26 fury, I'm getting a large rooster tail at 3.5 below pad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jseasor View Post
    don, what do you suggest i do on an 09 z520? i have a new 2014 ringmaster? I'm currently running a 26 fury, I'm getting a large rooster tail at 3.5 below pad.
    What is your TOTAL setback, WOT RPM's, WOT Water Pressure?


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    Quote Originally Posted by jseasor View Post
    don, what do you suggest i do on an 09 z520? i have a new 2014 ringmaster? I'm currently running a 26 fury, I'm getting a large rooster tail at 3.5 below pad.
    Jaco's purchase? You would be better off with the Verado style lower unit IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage View Post
    Jaco's purchase? You would be better off with the Verado style lower unit IMHO.
    I know of several that are having good performance out of the GEN2 on the 520c. Granted, I don't personally have one or drive one, so I can't give first hand info. I also don't know if they are hanging PowerPoles on there and still seeing good performance. The safer choice is definitely the Verado style, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M4A1 View Post
    I know of several that are having good performance out of the GEN2 on the 520c. Granted, I don't personally have one or drive one, so I can't give first hand info. I also don't know if they are hanging PowerPoles on there and still seeing good performance. The safer choice is definitely the Verado style, though.
    Yep not going to see 80 MPH and it's not light........APPLICATIONS: This gearcase is best suited to LIGHTER boat hulls, that will CONSISTENTLY (as in most any day of the year) achieve speeds in excess of 80 MPH. For heavier hulls, or hulls that will not CONSISTENTLY reach this speed, the Servicemaster/Verado gearcase is likely a much better choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage View Post
    Yep not going to see 80 MPH and it's not light........APPLICATIONS: This gearcase is best suited to LIGHTER boat hulls, that will CONSISTENTLY (as in most any day of the year) achieve speeds in excess of 80 MPH. For heavier hulls, or hulls that will not CONSISTENTLY reach this speed, the Servicemaster/Verado gearcase is likely a much better choice.
    +100

    While the Gen-2 Torquemaster CAN be set up to perform well on some of these heavier rigs (good TOP end performance), there may be some sacrifices in overall performance (such as holeshot, or handling at lower/mid range speeds).

    Most heavier setups will perform well (overall) with the Verado-Style gearcase.

    Keep in mind- at least one of the "internet bargain" engine suppliers doesn't even carry ProXS models with that gearcase (they'll simply sell you what they have and sell many of... and you're then "stuck" with it).


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    yes i bought it at jacos. my holeshot isn't bad at all actually. my set back i believe is an 8" bobs hydraulic, im not 100% sure on water pressur but im thinking its somewhere in the mid 20s. WOT when ive got it there is about 5700
    so your saying i should take a 2014 motor and put a new gear case in it? i can't justify that just for a little more performance. i'm seeing 70+ which is fast enough for me, but if i can get a couple more that would be great
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    Quote Originally Posted by jseasor View Post
    yes i bought it at jacos. my holeshot isn't bad at all actually. my set back i believe is an 8" bobs hydraulic, im not 100% sure on water pressur but im thinking its somewhere in the mid 20s. WOT when ive got it there is about 5700
    so your saying i should take a 2014 motor and put a new gear case in it? i can't justify that just for a little more performance. i'm seeing 70+ which is fast enough for me, but if i can get a couple more that would be great
    No sir... in reference to the red (text/quote) above, I'm saying that the engine choice you made MAY not have been the "best" overall option for your setup/rig.

    Did you discuss the different ProXS models, and gearcase choices with your selling dealer before purchasing?

    Unfortunately, some sellers don't question what you're using it on, or offer helpful suggestions about which MODEL would be best suited to your application. They simply sell you what they have (or carry on-hand).
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    we discussed my boat, but thats as far as it went. overall im happy with its performance. good hole and top end, just was wondering what i small adjustments i could make to get more. how is this motor different than the motor that came factory on it? serial #1b747893 can you tell me what i have on the lower end of my motor serial #2b092557? thanks don
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    Quote Originally Posted by jseasor View Post
    we discussed my boat, but thats as far as it went. overall im happy with its performance. good hole and top end, just was wondering what i small adjustments i could make to get more. how is this motor different than the motor that came factory on it? serial #1b747893 can you tell me what i have on the lower end of my motor serial #2b092557? thanks don
    1B747893 Model# 1250P73HD MERCURY 250DFI L PROXS
    1.75 Ratio Gen-1 Torquemaster Gearcase (Manufactured 4/07/09)

    2B092557 Model# 1251P73BD MERCURY 250DFI L PROXS
    1.75 Ratio Gen-2 Torquemaster Gearcase (Manufactured 3/26/14)

    Gearcase is the LARGEST difference. Suggest a separate post, providing all performance details: WOT GPS Speed, WOT Smartcraft RPM's, WOT Water Pressure, Current Setback, Prop-to-Pad Measurement, Current Prop info, and conditions/load under which these were achieved. With that information, it may be possible to offer constructive suggestions.


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    i guess im lost, basically its the exact same motor but different gear case but same ratio. so did i buy the right motor? i was starting to wonder if i shouldve bought a different gear case, which was suprising because im seeing good everything. ive tried asking for suggestions with no help naturally as i have an 09 z520 with a '14 motor. not too many of those out there. thanks don!
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