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    hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan....

    Need some input on why I should go with hummingbird over lowrance as far as side imaging set ups vs structurescan.....I've not had either but am running old lowrance units at the present time. Looking to upgrade and just looking for input....any is appreciated..


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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (mrlawler1)

    1. Clearer and more crisp detail
    2. You can cover more water with the bird without your edges of the screen blacking out regardless of using 455 or 800khz and sensitivity maxed out.



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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (T Mike)

    The clear and crisp is pretty subjective, alot of the Lowrance screen shots I've seen are very impressive.

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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (mrlawler1)

    I have been doing a lot of research about this lately. When it comes to SI Humminbird seems to be clearly better.

    The one advantage Lowrance has with the structure scan is that they have a little clearer image on the DI because they included a dedicated DI crystal in their transducer.

    The bad news is that that DI crystal operates on the same frequencies as the SI elements and causes interference with the SI.....this is the primary reason Lowrance had to reduce the beam width on the SI. Humminbird gives you 86degees both sides....172 degree total coverage.

    If DI is very important, you can get a dedicated DI unit from Humminbird that includes DI as well as 2d.
    The Lowrance DI units only have DI...no 2D

    The Humminbird units use a lot less power....the HDS + LSS1 draw a lot more power.

    Humminbird has better GPS accuracy. (+- 4.5 meters EPE 95% of the time.) Many people are able to achieve 3' epe and 10' epe is common.

    AND the Humminbirds are MADE IN THE USA and not as expensive.
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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (Bob B)

    <table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by Bob B &raquo;</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">I have been doing a lot of research about this lately. When it comes to SI Humminbird seems to be clearly better.

    The one advantage Lowrance has with the structure scan is that they have a little clearer image on the DI because they included a dedicated DI crystal in their transducer.

    The bad news is that that DI crystal operates on the same frequencies as the SI elements and causes interference with the SI.....this is the primary reason Lowrance had to reduce the beam width on the SI. Humminbird gives you 86degees both sides....172 degree total coverage.

    If DI is very important, you can get a dedicated DI unit from Humminbird that includes DI as well as 2d.
    The Lowrance DI units only have DI...no 2D

    The Humminbird units use a lot less power....the HDS + LSS1 draw a lot more power.

    Humminbird has better GPS accuracy. (+- 4.5 meters EPE 95% of the time.) Many people are able to achieve 3' epe and 10' epe is common.

    AND the Humminbirds are MADE IN THE USA and not as expensive.</td></tr></table>

    Well said..


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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (mrlawler1)

    Humminbird invented recreational Side Imaging Sonar way back in 2004 and have been improving it and the features and uses for over 7 years now. The 455kHz provides 180 Degrees of total water column coverage so you see more what's under the water. They also offer 800kHz for higher level of detail but reduced coverage area. Most Humminbird Owners use 45kHz because it provides great detail but alot more coverage without sacrificing anything.

    455khz



    800kHz



    Plus Humminbird Side Imaging has alot more features that allow you to get more from your side imaging...

    Contour Mode:



    SI Range Lines:



    SI Navigation Mode:



    SI Enhance Sharpness Feature - Best Fish Finding Tool!!

    SI Enhance Off



    SI Enhance Low they do have Medium and High Setting if you need more...



    Red/Green Color Pallet...Finds hard bottom faster and easier like these Shell Beds



    Plus a Whole Lot More Features Built-In...

    Fastest Standard Equipment Refresh Rate of 4X Per Second in the Industry.

    50 Channel GPS Receiver Standard Equipment

    Ethernet Sharing of ALL Sonars SI.DI and 2D Sonar when shared with like unit

    NEMA 2000 Compatible for 2012 to monitor NEMA Accessories like Engine Gauges

    Ethernet Hub can connect Multiple units and Accessories by adding as many 5 port hubs as you want they can be stacked if you need more than 5 Ports.

    Radar is here for 2012 from Humminbird.

    If you want dedicated DI add the Di/2D transducer but DI from SI is comparable to any that I've seen and actually gives the user more control because the user has choice of 3 widths of Coverage: Narrow, Medium and Wide.

    Variable Bandwidth Sonar Listening since the 1980's

    Digital Sonar System since the 1980's

    Switchfire 2D Sonar Processing System gives you more control of a Precision Sonar System in Clear Mode or a Wider Coverage with MAX Mode.

    Humminbird and it's ProStaff members are very willing to share information about the technologies and have more experience to help you understand all aspects. Look at the Intrepretation Forum and the Information they share to make it easier to learn and understand sonar.

    Plus Humminbird is the last company that is American Based Company, American Owned and American Manufacturing....Owned by Johnson Outdoors that's headquarted in Racine WI, Service, Support and Manufacturing in Eufuala, Alabama


    Hope you never need it but look at the expedited turnaround time those that have needed service get from Humminbird...it's a matter of a few days...so you stay on the water longer.

    IF you want to learn more or have questions I'm here to help! Plus you have alot of owners that are very knowledgeable to help here on the BBC.

    And #1 in Market Share for Marine Electronics! http://www.johnsonoutdoors.com....aspx Humminbird is the World Leader in Fish Finder Sales!

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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (mrlawler1)

    Looks to me that either would be a good choice. Guess all I need is to make up my mind with what fits my needs the best...


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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (mrlawler1)

    If you got a buddy with a Lowrance. Ask to see if he can spread his beams out to 200ft plus in shallow water and not get black edges on his screen regardless of sensitivity and khz.

    having taken out a tons of guys in their boats with Lowrance on sonar trips to do their own comparisons the one thing I have notices is they can't get near as much useable coverage as the bird in side imaging even though their beams go out to 200ft plus. I'm covering a football here in 2ft of water and I have my entire screen as useable coverage ie no black edges or haze.

    Bottom line if your comparing SS vs SS they can bash us on the other page all they want but your question asked SS vs SI. Simply put they can't compete with bird on SI whether it be contour mode, si enhance, range lines, and just better overall crisper pics. I'll put my SI images up against anyone.





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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (T Mike)

    That's why I put it in both places so I could get the pissin contest started because I would like as much input as possible. I know that one or the other is going on the bee its just which one suits me the best for the places that I fish. I see good with both and I only see the bad stuff coming from either side against the other so this is helping me see what both have to offer. $2000 to $2500 is not something I want to put in one product and be disappointed with it later.


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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (mrlawler1)

    <table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by mrlawler1 &raquo;</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">That's why I put it in both places so I could get the pissin contest started because I would like as much input as possible. I know that one or the other is going on the bee its just which one suits me the best for the places that I fish. I see good with both and I only see the bad stuff coming from either side against the other so this is helping me see what both have to offer. $2000 to $2500 is not something I want to put in one product and be disappointed with it later. </td></tr></table>

    Your doing your homework and thats important. If there are any images or specific questions you want to see just ask.


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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (T Mike)

    Also look at the new features for 2012 coming that add more functions and features for Side Imaginga and GPS...some really cool useful features to make Humminbird even more better!

    http://view.exacttarget.com/?j...4&r=0

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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (Doug Vahrenberg)

    Also Humminbird the user has control of the screen scroll speed so that makes it more functional in all speed ranges from sitting still using the trolling motor to turn to idling with the big motor. You can also do some neat things like increase the speed to "stretch" open the structure to look at fish inside it like brush piles and standing timber...

    Slower...Matched to boat speed



    A little faster screen speed...



    Even Faster see how the data is strech to see in the trees easier?



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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (Doug Vahrenberg)

    Very informative...and very cool..


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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (Doug Vahrenberg)

    I went fishing with a guide a week ago who has a boat fully decked out with Lowrance HDS and structure scan....1/2 the reason I wanted to go was to see the structure scan first hand.
    The setup he had was very impressive.....he pretty much had a screen dedicated to everything he wanted to do....but I think he has over $10,000 in electronics.
    He was having to turn some of the units off occasionally to keep from killing the brand new starter battery for his boat.

    I think the same functionality could be done with Humminbird a lot cheaper and with better results.

    Peole who have a lot invested in their particular electronics tend to have strong opinions, but I think if you do your homework, you will find that Humminbird is better in all major areas.....If you do your homework, you will find that what Mike and Doug are telling you is true.
    I was taking a close look because I am thinking of getting a 2nd unit for the bow, and don't want to get further invested in Humminbird if Lowrance is actually better......I have decided Humminbird is the best bet. The pendulum is swinging back their way.....and lots more good feature updates for 2012.

    P.S. The one area that hasn't been mentioned here...unless I missed it is the mapping. Wth Navionics, Humminbird is pretty much equivalent to Lowrance, but with Lakemaster there are more features that only work with Humminbird. One of them is the ability to do a depth offset to calibrate the lake contours. This a VERY useful on a lake that fluctuates level a lot, and just may keep you from running aground.
    Just to be clear, Lowrance can use Lakemaster also, but don't have all the features that Hummindird does.....also, now that Johnson Outdoors now owns both Humminbird and Lakemaster, it is expected that things will improve for Humminbird even further. It isn't clear if Lakemaster will keep making the Lowrance chip, but I expect they will since it would be a big loss in sales.


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    Personally I am a Humminbird fan, but think they are reasonably competitive and getting better as they compete.

    The one thing that stands out to me is Humminbird's customer service. They are responsive and quick to please, yes some have had some issues but by far they have exceeded most of our expectations.

    Also, if you enroll in there select service you get a 2nd year added to your warranty for free.

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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (Bob B)

    <table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by Bob B &raquo;</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">
    P.S. The one area that hasn't been mentioned here...unless I missed it is the mapping. Wth Navionics, Humminbird is pretty much equivalent to Lowrance, but with Lakemaster there are more features that only work with Humminbird. One of them is the ability to do a depth offset to calibrate the lake contours. This a VERY useful on a lake that fluctuates level a lot, and just may keep you from running aground.
    Just to be clear, Lowrance can use Lakemaster also, but don't have all the features that Hummindird does.....also, now that Johnson Outdoors now owns both Humminbird and Lakemaster, it is expected that things will improve for Humminbird even further. It isn't clear if Lakemaster will keep making the Lowrance chip, but I expect they will since it would be a big loss in sales.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
    Modified by Bob B at 4:37 PM 1/6/2012</td></tr></table>

    BobB is absolutely correct. LakeMaster is bar none the best Mapping Produced with Exclusive features for Humminbird not only Depth Offset, But Shallow Water Highlight, Depth Highlight, Water Depth Shading, and more features. Since Johnson Outdoors purchased LakeMaster they are only available for Humminbird and I just seen in the 2012 Bass Pro Catalog there is a new region for LakeMaster: Florida, Georgia and Alabama.

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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (Bob B)

    Not sure how you came to the conclusion that the Lowrance GPS is more accurate than the HB. I have both Lowrance and HB units on my boat. On the HB 997 I have the GHRA high accuracy antennae. This system is considerably more accurate than the GPS on my Lowrance unit.


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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (BrownTrout)

    I am not sure what your objection is....I think I am saying the same thing.

    The +- 4.5 meter is from the 1198 specifications, and the EPE numbers are from other posts I have seen with people using the GPS diagnostics.
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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (Bob B)

    <table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by Bob B &raquo;</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">I am not sure what your objection is....I think I am saying the same thing.

    The +- 4.5 meter is from the 1198 specifications, and the EPE numbers are from other posts I have seen with people using the GPS diagnostics.</td></tr></table>

    Read that part of your post wrong. Thought you said Low was more accurate than HB.

    My apologies


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    Re: hummingbird side imaging vs lowrance structurescan.... (Bob B)

    That Should be 2.5 Meter (8.202 Feet) Accuracy Level is that Published Accuracy for the GR-50 Standard Equipment Receiver. The GR-16 was published accuracy of 3 Meter (9.8424 Feet)



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