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    2004 225 HO Evinrude

    Is this the Standard decals for a 2004 225 HO Evinrude? Has anyone else seen this color scheme before? I am looking at buying this motor but it does not look like the other motors I Have seen.



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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (bear21211)

    Prostaff grapics. Very rare. Bomb never released them to the general public cause we wasn't good enough. Would have loved to had them on my DI before it died.



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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (Won Hunglo)

    Oh Ok that makes sense. well I found a complete 2004 motor completely rebuilt with 6 years of warranty for a good price and was considering buying it just got worried about the people that has it can not find out much about them. graphics looked different. Just leary about throwing out $7,000.00 on motor over the net.
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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (bear21211)

    That is way too much for a rebuilt DI motor. Find out why did it blow & what was done to repair it. Also check who offers the warranty. Dealer or aftermarket? You are almost paying half of what you can get a 2008 for with full Bomb support.



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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (Won Hunglo)

    Poor Rigging caused #3 low compression (ran low on oil and buzzer had purple wire pulled out from connector). Motor has Total rebuild with 0 hrs. including: NEW EVERYTHING: OEM Pistons, rings, wpins, clips, wpin bearings, rod bearings, crank bearings, seals, gaskets, thermostats, rod bolts, water pump, gear oil, and is a FRESHWATER ONLY motor that is very clean. Machine Boring and Wet Honing to .020 on all 6 cylinders performed
    Motor has 6 years of warranty through this dealer. price is $6500.00

    When you say it is to much what are you basing your opnion on I can not seem to find any other motors hardly that are what I can afford. I am looking for something I can pay cash for and I dont have an extra $16,500.00 SO A new one is out of the picture for me. If I could find something better I would buy it but so far this seems to me the best deal I have found
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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (bear21211)

    No disrespect to any one just an observation, the DI motors are supposed to be superior in power to the new e-tecs, if you can find a novel motor like this that is for evermore brand new and you feel comfortable with the dealers warranty, junp on it. I wouldn't put it on a 05n or newer boat. If you want to trade cowlings and get rid of that wierd one let me know.................G

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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (Garfish)

    Hmmmmmm
    Ok garfish I will let ya know if I dont like the wierd looking one when I get it. It will ship on friday. Currently I have a 21Xl Stratos with a 2000 225 Ficht . I am turning a 25 Renegade prop with the 225 I have now it is on a 10" manual jack plate I recently bought an new Hydro Plate but it is only a 6" setback is the difference in the setback from 10" to 6" going to hurt me if I install the Hydro with the HO motor?


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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (Garfish)

    <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Garfish &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No disrespect to any one just an observation, the DI motors are supposed to be superior in power to the new e-tecs</TD></TR></TABLE>

    Just curious, I have seen other people say the samething. Is there any evidence for this?? I went from a DI to an ETEC and went up two prop sizes(27-29) and gained on average 4 mph. Just wondering....
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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (200xp)

    I went from a '99 F*cht 225 to the ETEC and gained 4 mph GPS loaded with my '06 ETEC. The old one can't hold a candle to the new one. I'm curious, too.

    I may put it on the market and try the 250 ETEC HO. Hmmmm....
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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (MigAz)

    <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MigAz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I went from a '99 F*cht 225 to the ETEC and gained 4 mph GPS loaded with my '06 ETEC. The old one can't hold a candle to the new one. I'm curious, too.

    I may put it on the market and try the 250 ETEC HO. Hmmmm....
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    You went from a 3.0L to a 3.3L

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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (bear21211)

    <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bear21211 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Poor Rigging caused #3 low compression (ran low on oil and buzzer had purple wire pulled out from connector). Motor has Total rebuild with 0 hrs. including: NEW EVERYTHING: OEM Pistons, rings, wpins, clips, wpin bearings, rod bearings, crank bearings, seals, gaskets, thermostats, rod bolts, water pump, gear oil, and is a FRESHWATER ONLY motor that is very clean. Machine Boring and Wet Honing to .020 on all 6 cylinders performed
    Motor has 6 years of warranty through this dealer. price is $6500.00

    When you say it is to much what are you basing your opnion on I can not seem to find any other motors hardly that are what I can afford. I am looking for something I can pay cash for and I dont have an extra $16,500.00 SO A new one is out of the picture for me. If I could find something better I would buy it but so far this seems to me the best deal I have found
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    Never heard of poor rigging taking out only 1 cylinder. Its usually all or none in rigging errors. DI simply have little resale value as they are no longer produced & suffer from the Ficht name. Check out Ebay resale values on Fichts. Some get more money being parted out then whole.

    Make darn sure the engine is set up in break in mode & put a bunch of hours on it before leaving the dealer's are if you are not local. (25 hours over a few days would be a good sea trial.) Nothing like a few all day test drives.



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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (Won Hunglo)

    Excuse my ignorance but what makes those graphics unique ? Looks very similar to my 04 225 HO, the only difference being "Direct Injection" as opposed to "FICHT"? Is that it? I'm not aware that mine is pro-staff.

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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (acatli)

    <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by acatli &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Excuse my ignorance but what makes those graphics unique ? Looks very similar to my 04 225 HO, the only difference being "Direct Injection" as opposed to "FICHT"? Is that it? I'm not aware that mine is pro-staff. </TD></TR></TABLE>

    Yellow border, blurred EVINRUDE & pointy flag tips.



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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (Won Hunglo)

    Won Not arguing your opnion but maybe you need to check some prices on these so calles not so good resale value motors. Everyone told me my 2000 225 Ficht was junk also but its almost 8 years old and never a minutes problem with it. Maybe it is an older tech than the E-tech but for my wallet it will be just fine. ..........Thanks for the Info


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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (bear21211)

    <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bear21211 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Won Not arguing your opnion but maybe you need to check some prices on these so calles not so good resale value motors. Everyone told me my 2000 225 Ficht was junk also but its almost 8 years old and never a minutes problem with it. Maybe it is an older tech than the E-tech but for my wallet it will be just fine. ..........Thanks for the Info
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    Those 200 up v6's DIs were great motors with few blowing but the damage was done to the name pre Ram Injection. I only blew 1 in 6 years. 1998 & 1999 150 & 175's pre Ram Injections were the short fused time bombs that killed the Ficht/DI name.

    A few 225 HO DIs have sold in this area for 4000-5000. Just not what I would call good resale value when a Merc EFI (non Opti) of the same year model can pull twice that...and I bleed blue.



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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (Won Hunglo)

    Those Merc motors were probably bought buy those that are not serious fishermen but speed freaks that like to make them go fast. At least around here they are the ones looking for those. I have priced alot of used motors in the last couple weeks. This motor is completely fresh with what seems to be a good warranty. Most of the other motors in this class have been used with no warranty and $8500.00 or higher. I am not debating if the motor is as good as a Brand new 2008 E-Tech by no means We all know that should not be the case. I am trying to stay within bounds of what money my wife has allowed me to spend to upgrade the motor I have (Wich by the way is still a great motor Runs as good now as the day I got it ) I was just curious about the graphics not if I was spending to much money, I think if you had the same budget I had and wanted to upgrade your motor a little then maybe this would be a little more attractive to you as it is to me.
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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (bear21211)

    Staying in a budget sucks but we all have to do it.

    Good luck & let us know how it runs after break in are complete. As I said earlier, make darn sure it is in break in mode & put a bunch of sea trial hours on it before leaving the dealers area. It the rebuild is good & the original problem is corrected all will be fine.



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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (Won Hunglo)

    I have heard the comment that the 3.3 litre DI engines were stronger than the E-TECs a few times. It has not bee generally substantiated, but I would be really interested in seeing a discussion on this topic.

    One person on here a while back ran a 225DI and then changed over to a 225 E-TEC on the same hull, exact same prop, same engine mount height etc. He lost several MPH. His boat was a barefoot waterski boat and holeshot for this use is #1, #2 and #3. Unfortunately, he disappeared before we got to the bottom of it, but I think in his case I understand why. He had propped his boat for holeshot, his WOT RPM with just an empty boat were about 6200. The DI computer was happy to allow the engine to run that hard so he got awesome holeshot and by revving it, top end as well.

    Doing the same thing on his E-TEC, the motor wouldn't turn that many RPM so it was slower. In his mind, it produced less horsepower. I believe at exccessive RPM the computer in the E-TEC runs the engine rich on oil and fuel to protect it. Running rich on either or both reduces power and this is a nice, soft rev limiter. You can't feel it but this technique protects the engine by limiting revs and giving extra lubrication and cooling while it is at it.

    The 2008 225HO WOT recommended range is range is 4500 to 5800 and the recommended range is 5500-5600 (your dealer can confirm this via dealerport service newsletter November 15 2007). The motor is not recommended to be used above 5800 rpm and it would be reasonable to assume a smart computer like the E-TEC has will be programmed to take steps to protect the engine and thus help the reputation of the engine's long life. After all, people rarely admit their abuse contributed to a short engine life.

    Unfortunately the barefooter left the thread before we got a final answer. I would have liked to see it run with a taller prop to see if it still made the same or more top end speed. Achieving the same speed at lower RPM will prove the horsepower is still there.

    Admitidly, he liked being able to have holeshot and top end speed via excessive RPM and he didn't want to lose his holeshot. He didn't say anything that made me believe the 225HO E-TEC makes less power than the DI. His use of the DI was probably OK if he only needed to win a short race every year or two but over-revving is not a good solution for normal use.

    Won has a 200HO. Won, would you please get us the KW rating off the EPA sticker on the side. I understand these engines produce 200hp (not more). This can be proven by converting kilowatts to HP off the EPA sticker. The 200HO has a lot more low down torque than the small block engine and it has the lightening lower unit, but I gather it doesn't more horsepower than the sticker says.

    My 2008 225HO has 186.4 kilowatts stamped on the EPA label. Typing "convert 186.4 kilowatts to horsepower" into google produces the result "186.4 kilowatts = 249.966518 horsepower".

    I doubt the 3.3 DI made much more than that. I would say it was within -10/+5 of that simply because it is reputed to be a strong motor. It is stickered at 225hp and you can't exceed that by too much. If i had to guess, I would say it makes 250hp same as E-TEC. The only performance drawback is the need to run a prop that allows you to stay below 5800rpm.

    I'd like confirmation but I believe the 150HO makes 150hp and the HO improvements are the stickers and the lower unit.

    I understand the 250HO is good for about 275hp plus it comes with an even better lower unit.

    Like I said, I've never seen this discussion go far enough to make me believe in one answer or another. I will say I've never seen an argument that has made me believe the 225HO E-TEC isn't as strong as the previous 225HO DI

    I'd welcome comments or corrections

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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (ghind)

    Further to my previous post, http://forums.screamandfly.com...46850 a contributor says "On the 225HO, at 5850 it will start to add extra fuel to try to flood the motor out since you are getting close to the soft limiter. At 6050, it starts to dump extra oil since it knows you are pounding the hell out of it. At 6150 it pulls back timing until the rpms fall back below 6000. If the rpms continue to climb and you hit the hard limiter, it puts the motor into slow mode and cuts spark to alternating cylinders and pulls you down to 1200". There are a number of small inaccurate statements on that page, so this one isn't gospel but it may be accurate and would be at least close to right.

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    Re: 2004 225 HO Evinrude (Won Hunglo)

    <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Won Hunglo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

    Yellow border, blurred EVINRUDE & pointy flag tips.</TD></TR></TABLE>

    Checked my motor this weekend - it has those features but as far as I am aware, it is not pro staff or special in any way???

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