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    Re: Best 1/2 ton towing truck. (buck201)

    2007 5.7 tundra pulls my z21 with ease. granted i'm in fl now so no mountains to go up like I had growing up in ky and tn. I dont think you can beat a tundra for a half ton. however if you want a truck that can tow like a champ go with a ford diesel, best trucks for towing, but a lot of truck for just towing a bass boat a few hours. waiting for toyota to release their diesel truck.

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    Re: Best 1/2 ton towing truck. (ClaySlayer)

    <table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by ClaySlayer &raquo;</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">too bad that 6.2 can only be had in the Harley and Raptor versions...
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    Re: Best 1/2 ton towing truck. (lstocke1)

    <table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by lstocke1 &raquo;</td></tr><tr><td class="quote"> however if you want a truck that can tow like a champ go with a ford diesel, best trucks for towing, but a lot of truck for just towing a bass boat a few hours.</td></tr></table> HAHAHAHA!!!!! Now that's funny right there....



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    You dudes will argue about trucks till the cows come home, buy what makes you happy I like fords, so I buy nothing but fords, So if you wont a chevy our a tundra go buy it. Some comments on a web site about trucks would not make up my mind on how to spend my 35k on a truck.

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    <table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by advmt &raquo;</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">You dudes will argue about trucks till the cows come home, buy what makes you happy I like fords, so I buy nothing but fords, So if you wont a chevy our a tundra go buy it. Some comments on a web site about trucks would not make up my mind on how to spend my 35k on a truck. </td></tr></table>

    Seriously! Go drive them all and decide for yourself...

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    Didnt read all the posts above, but I sometimes have to tow with my 08 Chevy Tahoe and 5.3L and it sux. It is a terrible, terrible pulling vehicle. it down shifts constantly. Its slow as heck. I cant stand it. I cant believe how much speed I lose going up even the smallest of hills.

    I tow with a Dodge and Hemi and that thing is awesome for towing, and that is about it! Not that big of a drop off from my 3/4 Duramax

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    Re: Best 1/2 ton towing truck. (buck201)

    I got a Hemi Ram and its never had a trailer hooked to it yet, but I already know it will out pull anything foreign and domestic be cause its got a HEMI in it. End of story.

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    Re: Best 1/2 ton towing truck. (unclemark)

    unclemark keep fishing you will have a limit pretty quick! best bait in these waters is anything negitive about gm, really the best crankbait for this lake.

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    Re: Best 1/2 ton towing truck. (advmt)

    Go with the Toyota Tundra! Let's put the whole power-to-pull issue to the side....They will all pull the biggest, baddest bass boat you can buy....agreed?? And then some....I work in a massive dealer group. Chevy, Ford, Dodge, Nissan, Toyota, Jeep, others that aren't even worth mentioning. IMHO it comes down to the top three of: 1) Toyota then 2) Dodge then 3) Ford. The rest have too many annoying problems that they can't seem to get a handle on.

    The New Tundra wins out simply because it's got the whole package. In addition to being able to burn the tires off if you'd like, they are very freakin' reliable (Unfortunately if you're a Toyota tech). They are incredible to service. The older Tundras had some issues that they learned from...The new Tundra is an amazing truck from the Drivetrain through the state-of-the-art computers and communication networks.

    The Dodge is second. And the Ford is getting closer every year. Both still have issues with the complex systems in can networks and composition parts that should have been fixed by now. But they are certainly well ahead of GM and the rest. It comes down to money, resources, R&D, and cutting edge technology....That is where Toyota has an edge....Maybe not forever, But certainly right now....
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    Re: Best 1/2 ton towing truck. (RiverRatMD)

    Wait until the big 3 come out with smaller versions of their big diesels and put them in the 1/2 tons, ala 4.5L Duramax. 320/530 and 25mpg...It is coming. 1/2 ton gassers will become irrelevant in the towing world...

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    Re: Best 1/2 ton towing truck. (gobrowntruck21)

    <table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by gobrowntruck21 &raquo;</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">Wait until the big 3 come out with smaller versions of their big diesels and put them in the 1/2 tons, ala 4.5L Duramax. 320/530 and 25mpg...It is coming. 1/2 ton gassers will become irrelevant in the towing world...</td></tr></table>

    this was first announced a few years ago but it went belly up when the new diesel emission standards came out. Have you not noticed that the diesels in the newer 3/4 & 1 ton trucks aren't getting anywhere close to 20mpg anymore unless you bypass all the scrubbers? Or do you know something the rest of us don't?

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    Re: Best 1/2 ton towing truck. (ClaySlayer)

    <table width="90%" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 align=center><tr><td>Quote, originally posted by ClaySlayer &raquo;</td></tr><tr><td class="quote">

    this was first announced a few years ago but it went belly up when the new diesel emission standards came out. Have you not noticed that the diesels in the newer 3/4 & 1 ton trucks aren't getting anywhere close to 20mpg anymore unless you bypass all the scrubbers? Or do you know something the rest of us don't?</td></tr></table>

    Haha, no I don't claim to know anything and can prove it... But from all that I can gather, the major players are all working on mid-size diesel engines. GM already has 2.4?/2.8L DMax powered Canyons running around Thailand supposedly heading here soon, and Cummins is working on two variants of inline 4-cyl in the Nissan Titan. With the 2016 "gov. deadline" of 30mpg light-duty trucks looming, I cannot see this engine class being too far off. At some point, something has to change. Relax the ULSD/EPA restrictions a hair, and watch the mpg's climb... I'm just about in the new 1/2ton truck market myself, but I'm going to hold off as long as I can to hopefully jump in the first light-duty diesel US built truck I can...


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    I have a 09 GMC Z71 with the 5.3 and its horrible at pulling. I want to trade it for something else cause i hate it. Its a nice truck but not a good tow vehicle
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    Re: Best 1/2 ton towing truck. (buck201)

    I had a 2011 Avalanche Z-71 with a 5.3 and to say it sucked would be a gross understatment. It's not a great car and it sucks at being a truck. Power was way down and tranny couldn't be more off, always hunting for a gear it never finds. I finally had enough of it and just got a 2012 RAM 1500 Sport with a Hemi and couldn't be happier. Don't even know the boat is behind you, actually caught myself going almost 90mph and I honestly thought I was doing 65mph. Very pleased so far.

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    I owned an 01 Silverado with 3.42 gears and an 06 Sierra with 3.23 gears both with the 4.8. The Sierra got better mileage on the interstate but could never find a gear in its powerband with the chitty 3 speed with od while towing (rare back then). Then I got a Ram with the 4.7 and 3.55 gears. Realized it was a slug while towing when I bought my Charger 195 so traded it in for an 11 Ram with the HEMI and 3.93 gears. NEVER had to use tow/haul and it rarely shifts out of overdrive. Right after I got it I went to a car audio G2G in Northern Bama and got a really nasty speeding ticket for doing 86 in a 65 just west of Iuka, MS. Didn't set the cruise control after that last stop light. In the 09 Ram I had to lay on it at speeds over 65 and was still used to the big underpowered sled I had before the one I have now. The 4.7 Ram did drive better than my 11 though. Heavier motor making it more nose heavy maybe?

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    Re: Best 1/2 ton towing truck. (Lockon)

    You can also get the 6.2l SOHC in the F150 Lariat with the Max Trailer Tow package. Also the ecoboost has water cooled turbos which helps with heat cycles, one of the main problems in turbo failure in older vehicles. Coolant continues to circulate throughout the system and through the turbos even after the engine has been shut off. I sell these things so of course I am biased towards the Ford!

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    I like this thread. Dreaming of a newer truck later on. Trying to get by with my 84 F150 4WD 5.0 with aftermarket multi-port FI, C-6, and Dana60 rear w/4.56 gears. 33x10.5 all-terrains on 15'alum. wheels. Leaning towards a gearvendors overdrive install for my hwy driving and hill pulling. Hopefully no more constant downshifting on steep grades. I can't wait till I get hwy gears! http://www.gearvendors.com/4x4f3s.html
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    Pull my 21 ft triton with my hemi ram and it does not even gear down to go up hills. Love the hemi.

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    There are so many misguided posts in this thread, I am going to try and address a few...

    The GM 6.2l and the Tundra are going to be the best towing half tons, period. The LSx family of engines are a gift from above, and the 6.2 is no exception. It is an absolute beast of an engine. The Eco-boost and Hemi would be next, not necessarily in that order. I haven't towed with a Ford yet, but have quite a bit with the Hemi. They tow very well, I could possibly see the Eco-boost having more power WOT but I doubt it when cruising. There's no replacement for displacement, its a worn out old saying but its 100% true. This is coming from a boost addict for the Eco-boost crowd that feel otherwise.

    As for the discussions regarding supercharging and flex-fuel trucks... I have no experience in the Toyota's and boost, but I can tell you that the flex-fuel option should have no bearing on the ability to boost the truck. If anything, its more desirable. The flex fuel option should consist of larger fuel injectors, fuel pump, and a different tune. Ethanol has a much higher octane rating than premium pump gas, therefore making it a superior fuel for forced induction due to a significantly greater resistance to detonation. However, the BTU content of ethanol is much lower than that of pure gasoline, therefore requiring a significantly greater amount of fuel flow. I'm sure most have noticed a loss in mileage when running E85, this is why. On average, forced induction vehicles will see around a 10% increase in power swapping to an E-85 fuel system and tuning accordingly.

    The stock fuel system on a non flex-fuel trucks in general will hardly ever support the fuel needs of boost, I would always recommend upgrading injectors and fuel pump to ensure you don't run short on fuel and go lean. But, I wouldn't be surprised if the flex-fuel fuel system of 5.7l Tundra has large enough injectors and pump to be capable of supporting the TRD supercharger at low boost. The key will be the scanning/tuning software available for the Toyota truck platform to monitor IDC% (Injector Duty Cycle) and adjust the necessary parameters to keep from destroying the engine. No handheld tuner will do this either, you will need to find a professional tuner with computer software. Don't think you can't do it on an import truck, I know of a guy that has a good sized turbo on a Nissan Titan making 550+ to the wheels. Find the best Toyota performance truck forum, they will have all the answers you need. I read GM forums for a long while before I decided to turbo mine
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    Quote Originally Posted by t_nipper_74 View Post
    There are so many misguided posts in this thread, I am going to try and address a few...

    The GM 6.2l and the Tundra are going to be the best towing half tons, period. The LSx family of engines are a gift from above, and the 6.2 is no exception. It is an absolute beast of an engine. The Eco-boost and Hemi would be next, not necessarily in that order. I haven't towed with a Ford yet, but have quite a bit with the Hemi. They tow very well, I could possibly see the Eco-boost having more power WOT but I doubt it when cruising. There's no replacement for displacement, its a worn out old saying but its 100% true. This is coming from a boost addict for the Eco-boost crowd that feel otherwise.

    As for the discussions regarding supercharging and flex-fuel trucks... I have no experience in the Toyota's and boost, but I can tell you that the flex-fuel option should have no bearing on the ability to boost the truck. If anything, its more desirable. The flex fuel option should consist of larger fuel injectors, fuel pump, and a different tune. Ethanol has a much higher octane rating than premium pump gas, therefore making it a superior fuel for forced induction due to a significantly greater resistance to detonation. However, the BTU content of ethanol is much lower than that of pure gasoline, therefore requiring a significantly greater amount of fuel flow. I'm sure most have noticed a loss in mileage when running E85, this is why. On average, forced induction vehicles will see around a 10% increase in power swapping to an E-85 fuel system and tuning accordingly.

    The stock fuel system on a non flex-fuel trucks in general will hardly ever support the fuel needs of boost, I would always recommend upgrading injectors and fuel pump to ensure you don't run short on fuel and go lean. But, I wouldn't be surprised if the flex-fuel fuel system of 5.7l Tundra has large enough injectors and pump to be capable of supporting the TRD supercharger at low boost. The key will be the scanning/tuning software available for the Toyota truck platform to monitor IDC% (Injector Duty Cycle) and adjust the necessary parameters to keep from destroying the engine. No handheld tuner will do this either, you will need to find a professional tuner with computer software. Don't think you can't do it on an import truck, I know of a guy that has a good sized turbo on a Nissan Titan making 550+ to the wheels. Find the best Toyota performance truck forum, they will have all the answers you need. I read GM forums for a long while before I decided to turbo mine

    Chevy 6.2L = 403hp (5700RPM), 417 ft-lbs (4300rpm)

    Toyota 5.7L - 381 hp (5600 rpm), 401 ft lbs (3600rpm)

    Ford 6.2L (you didn't mention it in your first paragraph) - 411hp (5400rpm) 434 ft-lbs (4500rpm)


    How is Chevy or Toyota's largest engine offerings any better towing than Ford's?? And if you go down to the lower displacement engines, Ford 3.5L V6 and the 5.0L V8 will out-perform all of them except the ones mentioned above and the dodge hemi.

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