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    Question Military or Aviation professionals with radar experience

    Can anyone here who has any experience with aviation radar answer me this question. Can you make an airplane disappear from radar? Other than stealth technology. Is it possible that hijackers commandeered the Malaysian flight and took it elsewhere? Seems kind of strange that the beckons used to home in on wreckages have not been located. I have to wonder know if that plane actually went down now given that it is going on 3 days and not one shred of debris has been located.

    Just sayin.

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    UFO got it

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    It would take more than just radar invisabilty.

    You would have to jam cell phones.

    You would have to disable the planes IFF.

    You would need to time it so surveillance assets couldn't track it.

    And you would need a landing strip that the world doesnt know about.
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    I keep wondering if it didn't land somewhere but where can you land a 777 that it wouldn't be seen and if it were a hostage situation why hasn't any group come forward and why did it disappear from radar.

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    On June 1, 2009, Air France Flight 447 was en route from Rio De Janeiro to Paris when communications ended suddenly from the Airbus A330, another state-of-the-art aircraft.

    It took four searches over the course of nearly two years to locate the bulk of flight 447's wreckage and the majority of the 228 bodies in a mountain range deep under the ocean. It took even longer to find the cause of the disaster.
    In May 2011, the aircraft's voice recorder and flight data recorder were recovered from the ocean floor after an extensive search using miniature submersible vehicles.
    It was not until July 2012 that investigators published their report, which blamed the crash on a series of errors by the pilots and a failure to react effectively to technical problems.

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    If they flew it low enough to the surface, they could possibly avoid most radar but that's hard enough to do in a fighter let alone a 777 passenger jet. Most likely, it crashed.

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    Big water little plane in comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos H View Post
    Big water little plane in comparison.
    +1 = and...if it hit the water in one piece, finding any debris will be nothing short of miraculous.

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    I am a avionics technician and have worked on radar both in the military and commercial aviation. You can confuse and disrupt the radar return but the aircraft would have to have these systems installed. The 777 is a large twin engine aircraft but the ocean is vast. How long did it take to locate the Titanic? If the emergency beacon which this aircraft would have had on board is not working it will be very difficult to find the wreckage.








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    I was an air search radar tech. Depending on where the radar is physically located there will be an altitude that is below the coverage of the radar beam. But the plane should also have some type of radio transponder system like IFF.
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    Malaysia military tracked missing plane to west coast: source | Reuters

    apparently, the Malaysian military tracked the plane a lot longer than was initially released. It flew a considerable distance in a westward direction.

    Something fishy is going on if this is correct.

    "It changed course after Kota Bharu and took a lower altitude. It made it into the Malacca Strait," the senior military officer, who has been briefed on investigations, told Reuters.

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    I think they are saying "it disappeared from radar" because it sounds more dramatic or sinister, when it actuality it just "went out of radar range".
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    Remember a bit ago when the plane(s) ended up at the wrong airport? What was the final report on that issue? Could it be similar?

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    Also..can't an IFF transfonder be disabled

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    Took searchers almost 10 days to find a plane that went down in Arkansas first of Feb. (and they had a pretty good idea where to look).
    I can lose a fluorescent green or orange marker buoy 50ft away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Al from Canada View Post
    I keep wondering if it didn't land somewhere but where can you land a 777 that it wouldn't be seen and if it were a hostage situation why hasn't any group come forward and why did it disappear from radar.
    I thought I heard there was a Chinese group that claimed responsibility. ??

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    Malaysia military tracked missing plane to west coast: source | Reuters

    apparently, the Malaysian military tracked the plane a lot longer than was initially released. It flew a considerable distance in a westward direction.

    Something fishy is going on if this is correct.
    yep this was probably the first hijacking in a while ........that article said it flew another 350+ miles to the west (which is crazy to think that only takes 30-35 mins)........

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    I've got a bunch of time flying in that area. This is pretty bizarre. There is NO legit reason for a pilot to turn off the transponder. With the redundancy required in long range aircraft, short of an instantaneous, catastrophic event, the crew should have enough time to send a distress call, even if they're down to battery power. (and even that is highly unlikely) Emergency Locator Transmitters will automatically send a signal on 121.5, 243.0, and also transmit to the SARSAT systems in event of high "G" forces or water immersion. I can't even take a WAG on this.

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    The aircraft will have (2) transponders that send information to the radar facility (registration#, Flight#, altitude) The transponder will be assigned a discrete frequency by air traffic control. The transponder can be turned off, however the 777 is a big enough aircraft that will show up on radar as a primary target.

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    Say what? This is confirmed. The Malaysian military knew this and still let searchers waste how much time looking in the wrong place?





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