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    Reduction in Sentencing

    Holder goes after mandatory federal drug sentences I guess it's gonna free up some jail space but is it going to increase drug use???
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    I disagree with virtually everything this administration has done...but I gotta agree with this one. Way to many non-violent drug offenders go to prison for way too long a period of time. Seriously, the jail and prison cells are full, despite the prison building binge of the 1980's. And, the cost is driving state budgets over the brink. Increase drug use? Anyone with a pulse can easily find just about any drug that they want now, so I don't see how this could increase drug use anymore than it already is.
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    If we'd use the death penalty where we should it would free up a lot of space also. If someone is in there for life, murder, rape, ect. they should use the death penalty and no one should be on death row for more then a week. Just get the job done and get it over with. that jmo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20basstriton View Post
    If we'd use the death penalty where we should it would free up a lot of space also. If someone is in there for life, murder, rape, ect. they should use the death penalty and no one should be on death row for more then a week. Just get the job done and get it over with. that jmo.
    +100 but maybe a bit longer then a week

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    Quote Originally Posted by 20basstriton View Post
    If we'd use the death penalty where we should it would free up a lot of space also. If someone is in there for life, murder, rape, ect. they should use the death penalty and no one should be on death row for more then a week. Just get the job done and get it over with. that jmo.
    That may be true, but it would free-up only a very small number of cells. Just over 1/3 of offenders sent to prison are there for drug offenses...that's a ton of space taken up and at $30K+ per year per person a ton of money spent.
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    A new approach is needed because the "war" on drugs is a no win situation. Prohibition did not work with alcohol and it isn't working with drugs.

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    Freeing up room for his future residents?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Hahn View Post
    That may be true, but it would free-up only a very small number of cells. Just over 1/3 of offenders sent to prison are there for drug offenses...that's a ton of space taken up and at $30K+ per year per person a ton of money spent.
    The vast majority of the people going through our local justice system are not for possession of drugs or selling drugs. They're drug addicts or pill heads, and the vast majority of all property thefts are to feed their addictions.

    And many stupid acts are done under the influence of drugs--like popping a bunch of Clonipans or taking Xanex and shoplifting. Or, holding up a drive in market (that has little money on hand.) The pills take every bit of judgement out of a person.

    My daughter has brought a three pill head/drug addicts into our lives. The last was July 4th. We went out on the pontoon boat to look at fireworks. My daughter was down at the boathouse, leaving a pill head acquaintance in our house. The girl stole 23 morphine sulfate pills out of my wife's suitcase. We swore out charges on her, and theft of controlled substances is a felony. She's been cooling her heels in jail the last 10 days. That's the 7th time in a year she's been picked up, and she's famous for not showing up for court hearings. During that time, her 2 month old baby died of SIDS. The girl thinks about nothing but drugs and thievery 24/7--all to get drugs.

    Maybe we should try caning as an alternative to jail. What's bad is all the money spent to take care of the children--WIC/SNAPP and Section VIII housing--because the parent is to drug crazed to get a real job.

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    Legalize pot and free those folks
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    Quote Originally Posted by GregA View Post
    Legalize pot and free those folks
    Now your talking...

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    It's a no win situation...Sure as heck one of these guys are going to get out of jail and commit a violent crime...It's all about jail space and money...I guess...
    I don't like mandatory sentences as far as non-violent drug crimes...It should be on a case by case basis...

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    prison sentences has no bearing on drug use whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Musky_Stalker View Post
    prison sentences has no bearing on drug use whatsoever.
    Heck, you can get drugs while in prison, if you have some money and the right contacts. So I've been told, not that I have any personal experience..

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    I agree with cranking death penalty up real fast. Even for cooking meth, selling it to kids, child molesters and many other criminals we should get rid of them. Worms gotta eat too.

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    I think legalizing marijuana would have a lot of positive impact. Yes, pills, coke, heroin, all the "harder stuff" should be punished, but only because it's so addictive that they are motivated to commit crimes to get more of it.

    Smoking weed? All that does is make you want to watch cartoons and eat cheetos. When you run out of weed, I've never known ANYONE so addicted that they had to rob a liquor store to buy more.

    That being said, it should be treated as alcohol - laws against motor vehicle operation, minimum age, etc etc.

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    If they legalized it today I wouldn't go out and shoot heroin tonight, it would put the guy drawing welfare in a pinch when he can no longer get what he usually sells it for. Make everyone earn an honest living and redirect a small amount of the wasted drug war money on education and rehabilitation.

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    And what group of folks is this going to benefit the most?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bgibson53 View Post
    And what group of folks is this going to benefit the most?
    taxpayers, victimless criminals, kids whos parents were taken away for plants?

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    I am talking race. There isn't equal punishments amongst races for the same quantities of drugs possessed.
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